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Reply #100 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:03am
 
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  I only push O2 and mooshies I like safe.

            Potter


Bully for you. Some of us want to be able to go out WITHOUT hauling around an oxygen tank. And better yet, not get any CHs in the first place.



  In your fervor to post you missed the part where I said I'm ten years pain free.

           Potter


Ten years pain free? Where did you say that in this thread? Please elaborate. Or are you just able to abort quickly? There's a difference. I'm not even starting to get CHs anymore. That's what pain-free means. No CHs in the first place. The way you talk up Oxygen, it sounded like you're still getting them, and just aborting them. That's not pain-free.
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Reply #101 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:25am
 
Peter510 wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:59am:
All,

If we can't show each other a bit of respect and hold a reasoned debate (on any proposed treatment), then how in God's name can we expect the rest of the population to take us seriously ??????

P.


Agreed. I started out with an open heart and mind on this thread, and I'm still willing to be civil.

I just don't want any CH sufferers to be deterred from trying this approach. That's why I can't leave the last message on this thread some kind of balderdash, fear-mongering statement. It frightens me to imagine somebody who would have benefited being discouraged from even trying this treatment just because of Potter or Hoppy. A life ruined due to pettiness? I won't stand for that.

They've made their erroneous claims about Vimovo, and they've been refuted. Next question, please.
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Reply #102 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 9:39am
 
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[quote author=474853444F551212260 link=1454078299/48#48 date=1455291825]Yes, Hoppy. Day 8 of no Vimovo now, and I'm still completely CH free. The D3+Vimovo for 3 months must have knocked down my COX-2/prostaglandin levels to very low levels. Not even a hint of a shadow, and frankly, it's not only the CH's that stopped. I've also been feeling better generally. Having lots of inflammation in our bodies doesn't just give us CHs, it also has other negative effects--we just don't notice them, understandably, nearly as much as the CHs!

Remember that I'm still taking the D3 every single day, so that's certainly helping to maintain my now-lowered inflammation levels. I do think it's conceivable that I'll have to take a very small maintenance dose of Vimovo (possibly 1 a week or something like that), but I don't yet know for sure.

I'll continue to keep everyone posted.

 

Maybe it's the D3 not the naproxen,

                   Potter


Well, I loaded myself up on D3 for over 2 months with no cessation of my CHs. They got SOMEWHAT weaker, but they didn't stop, and I still got a few level 7s now and again. After reading more about COX-2 and inflammation, I decided to combine the D3 with some Ibuprofen as a test for combined D3+NSAID effectiveness, taken at a max dose 3 times daily, the CHs stopped dead in their tracks. Like immediately. As in that very day that I started the test. I dare you to take a couple of extra strength Advils (as well as your usual D3 dosage--this is critical, or it won't work!) with breakfast, lunch and dinner for 5 days during a CH cycle and see what the results are.  Wink

No, I'm convinced now that it's almost certainly both.

Read this:

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Read especially the quote: "The group saw a 25 percent reduction in prostate cell growth using only calcitriol, and approximately the same reduction using only ibuprofen and naproxen. But when they combined calcitriol and an NSAID, they saw up to a 70 percent reduction. This result was obtained using from one-half to one-tenth the concentration required for either of the drugs used alone." (italics mine)

Although it's talking about prostate cancer cells, the essential dynamic applies to CH, which is also caused by excess prostagladin production. Neither D3 by itself, even in very high levels, or NSAIDs by themselves work as well as both together. The literature supports a very strong multiplier effect when D3 is taken in conjunction with an NSAID. Naproxen is the overall safest NSAID that supports this synergistic effect when taken over time, and Vimovo is an even safer variation than straight Naproxen by itself. Vimovo is also a slow-release formula, which lasts for 12-24 hours, so you can take just 1 or 2, instead of round the clock doses of Advil, which I don't recommend for more than a few days as a trial to see if this will work for you, too.

   
Nope ten years pf.  I Bust em with something far safer than naproxen.

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Reply #103 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:00pm
 
This thread has been viewed 1695 times with 91 replies! I would like to hear from folks that are trying your remedy and their results?

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  The number is gonna be zero.

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Anubis wrote, I would have thought that a curmudgeon such as yourself would have preferred several people to try my regimen and have it fail? Or are you that afraid that it really does work that you feel the dire need to ward off any takers?

Curmudgeon, ill bread or crossed-grained or niggardly fellow, peasant, low-born person, miser, miserable, contemptible.  Smiley that's #10 insults he called Potter and I can't recall Potter or I "Insulting" anubis  in this manner once, unless asking a  Questioning or being called out is "Insulting" to some folk, which seems to be the case with Anubis,  Smiley It's a good job Potter has a good sense of humour.

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Reply #104 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm
 
Hoppy wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
This thread has been viewed 1695 times with 91 replies! I would like to hear from folks that are trying your remedy and their results?

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  The number is gonna be zero.

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Anubis wrote, I would have thought that a curmudgeon such as yourself would have preferred several people to try my regimen and have it fail? Or are you that afraid that it really does work that you feel the dire need to ward off any takers?

Curmudgeon, ill bread or crossed-grained or niggardly fellow, peasant, low-born person, miserable, contemptible,  Smiley

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Curmudgeon makes me feel like I'm part of a Dickens novel.

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Reply #105 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:34pm
 
Potter wrote, Curmudgeon makes me feel like I'm part of a Dickens novel.

I'm wondering what part/character in his novels you would have been?

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Reply #106 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:50pm
 
Hoppy wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:34pm:
Potter wrote, Curmudgeon makes me feel like I'm part of a Dickens novel.

I'm wondering what part/character in his novels you would have been?

Hoppy


  Krook.

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Reply #107 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 9:08pm
 
Potter wrote Krook,

Smiley I remember the rag and bone man coming down our street on his horse and cart when I was a kid! He would give you a Goldfish in a plastic bag in exchange for old rags Smiley

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Reply #108 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:41pm
 
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Nope ten years pf.  I Bust em with something far safer than naproxen.

                     Potter


Potter, I had understood your use of the word 'bust' to mean that you abort CHs with something like Oxygen at the earliest sign of one. Is this incorrect? Are you saying you have an effective preventative treatment?
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Reply #109 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:49pm
 
Hoppy wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
This thread has been viewed 1695 times with 91 replies! I would like to hear from folks that are trying your remedy and their results?

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  The number is gonna be zero.

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Anubis wrote, I would have thought that a curmudgeon such as yourself would have preferred several people to try my regimen and have it fail? Or are you that afraid that it really does work that you feel the dire need to ward off any takers?

Curmudgeon, ill bread or crossed-grained or niggardly fellow, peasant, low-born person, miser, miserable, contemptible.  Smiley that's #10 insults he called Potter and I can't recall Potter or I "Insulting" anubis  in this manner once, unless asking a  Questioning or being called out is "Insulting" to some folk, which seems to be the case with Anubis,  Smiley It's a good job Potter has a good sense of humour.

Hoppy


One definition of 'curmudgeon' is 'bad tempered or surly.' Do either of you deny this? I didn't idly, childishly call you some name, rather, I'm quite accurately characterizing your actual behavior. Find one positive or encouraging statement either one of you have written to me in this thread until now, and I'll gladly retract that epithet. Smiley

You've both done nothing but snipe since I started this thread, and many others are in agreement. They're interested in my treatment and its effectiveness. If you are, too, then stop being so aggressively critical. You've already made your only point, which is that you're scared to death of Naproxen. Now that I've refuted the contention that it's some sort of poison, it's getting old.

How you and Potter have been treating me has been as insulting as me calling it 'like I see 'em', and labeling that behavior as curmudgeonly. You're not going to escape the judgement of others on a technicality. You've both been incredibly demeaning and unwelcoming. I'm still willing to hold out an olive branch to both of you if you'll just be a bit more reasonable.
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Reply #110 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm
 
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This thread has been viewed 1695 times with 91 replies! I would like to hear from folks that are trying your remedy and their results?

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  The number is gonna be zero.

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Anubis wrote, I would have thought that a curmudgeon such as yourself would have preferred several people to try my regimen and have it fail? Or are you that afraid that it really does work that you feel the dire need to ward off any takers?

Curmudgeon, ill bread or crossed-grained or niggardly fellow, peasant, low-born person, miserable, contemptible,  Smiley

Hoppy


Curmudgeon makes me feel like I'm part of a Dickens novel.

     Potter


I'm glad you feel comfortably well-characterized in such a literary setting such as that.
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anubis44 wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:41pm:
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Nope ten years pf.  I Bust em with something far safer than naproxen.

                     Potter


Potter, I had understood your use of the word 'bust' to mean that you abort CHs with something like Oxygen at the earliest sign of one. Is this incorrect? Are you saying you have an effective preventative treatment?


  What you know about clusters you could put in a thimble.  You obviously don't read my replies.

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Reply #112 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 3:04pm
 
  And I did take a poll on a super dooper secret cluster headache website.

one member berated me for doubting your analytical findings.

one member found some relief from migraines by using naproxen.

  ninety eight think yer full of yourself.

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Reply #113 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 3:40pm
 
Anubis wrote, One definition of 'curmudgeon' is 'bad tempered or surly.' Do either of you deny this? I didn't idly, childishly call you some name, rather, I'm quite accurately characterizing your actual behavior. Find one positive or encouraging statement either one of you have written to me in this thread until now, and I'll gladly retract that epithet.

Not in the Oxford Dictionary!

Potter wrote,
What you know about clusters you could put in a thimble.  You obviously don't read my replies.

Nor mine! Maybe check out page #3 where I suggested you try the vitamin D regimen again and where I suggested it's always best to see a Headache Specialist just to be sure they are CH's your suffering from, as we do with all newbies that come here, but oh no, you found this advice offensive and accused me of making sniping comments and all you could do was retaliate with a very derogatory remark.

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Reply #114 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 8:06pm
 
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  And I did take a poll on a super dooper secret cluster headache website.

one member berated me for doubting your analytical findings.

Well bugga me !
A super doper secret cluster head website ah
why the hell don't you stay over there !
You know what, I took aussie Brians advice and trilled over your past few years of posts,  You have hardly helped, advised or put up your so called vast experience to a newbie to help them in any way, but you sure as hell have made a lot of honest newbies needing help leave the forum !
I don't care how many people you supposedly have helped that everyone keeps reffering to, your attitude your and intolerance and past record shows your a train wreck !
This is all about you wanting recognition for how experienced you are and putting anyone else down that dares contradict suggest or puts forward an idea !
There are many many people on here that do so much good for people that join up here, but for you, its all about proving how big your pecker is !
I cant believe that the moderators allow some of the crap and disgusting un needed posts you put up.
What Joy or pleasure do you get out of it ? seriously
I've had the pleasure of connecting with a lot of champion people on this forum that have tirelessly helped me and others on their journey with clusters, I have personal contacts with most of them and are regularly in contact with them outside of the forum, for me, that's enough, I don't need to be here listening to your poison or have the desire to get into key board feuds with someone with obviously more serious issues than clusters alone.
Chalk up another disgruntled member on your belt potter !
You win,  I will be deleting my membership here.
Hopefully soon DJ will realise your poisen ego and start to sensor you input !
I really thought this forum was to help those suffering with cluster headaches, not support those that need their ego's massaged !
Thanks for everyone's help and input while I've been here, it has been literally a life saver.
Sorry about the rant, but others need to bounce this clown !

All the best
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one member found some relief from migraines by using naproxen.

  ninety eight think yer full of yourself.

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Reply #115 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 10:26pm
 
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You could start the same poll here where things aren't quite so secret.

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Reply #116 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 10:52pm
 
Aussie Brian wrote, You could start the same poll here where things aren't quite so secret.


This thread has been viewed 1695 times with 91 replies! I would like to hear from folk that are trying your remedy and their results?

Now viewed 2384 times and still no takers!

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Reply #117 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 4:33am
 
Hi all,

below is a PM that I sent Anubis.

Then i thought to myself that this should be public so here goes, you can read what I think about what has happened above.
I am expeting more childish nastyness addressed to me but this is worth doing.

"Hi Annubis,
I am sure I am not the first person to send you a PM.
I am guessing that there are many of us here who cannot believe the way Potter and then Hoppy have treated you.
I find it unbelieveable that nothing has been done towards Potter by moderators, the only reason I can think of for this non-action towards Potter and then Hoppy is that maybe they contribute financially in a big way to this site.
I am so sorry for you that this has happened.
Potter repeatedly acts like a very nasty child and has been the cause for many people's departure from this site, this is so not right and I do not understand how this is allowed to happen.
I can't believe a  grown up person such as Potter can act in such a way towards a human being.
I suggest that you forward this PM and all the other supporting PM you get to DJ.
Again, I feel so sorry to see you go and so sorry that you have had to endure such nastyness from members of  this site.
All the best"
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Reply #118 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 6:22am
 
So much for my suggesting that everyone shows a bit of respect for each other. It seems that was a little naive of me.

It's time the Moderators step in and put a stop to this thread. What happened to the principle of " challenge the idea, don't attack the person".

That certainly hasn't happened in this case and I must add,it's not the first time, involving some of the same people.

Colin (Blacklab), if you're still looking in, reconsider. I have always valued your input and I think it a great waste for you to leave this site for the failings of others.

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Reply #119 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 2:11pm
 
I have my own code of conduct and personal limits regarding decorum, but I certainly have no right to dictate the behavior of others on the internet.

THAT is most often the root of many arguments around here.

This is an open forum owned solely by DJ. I am sometimes surprised at the guests who come into his house and try to enforce their own rules on other guests in his house!

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thierry wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 4:33am:
Hi all,

below is a PM that I sent Anubis.

Then i thought to myself that this should be public so here goes, you can read what I think about what has happened above.
I am expeting more childish nastyness addressed to me but this is worth doing.

"Hi Annubis,
I am sure I am not the first person to send you a PM.
I am guessing that there are many of us here who cannot believe the way Potter and then Hoppy have treated you.
I find it unbelieveable that nothing has been done towards Potter by moderators, the only reason I can think of for this non-action towards Potter and then Hoppy is that maybe they contribute financially in a big way to this site.
I am so sorry for you that this has happened.
Potter repeatedly acts like a very nasty child and has been the cause for many people's departure from this site, this is so not right and I do not understand how this is allowed to happen.
I can't believe a  grown up person such as Potter can act in such a way towards a human being.
I suggest that you forward this PM and all the other supporting PM you get to DJ.
Again, I feel so sorry to see you go and so sorry that you have had to endure such nastyness from members of  this site.
All the best"


Yep I invested all the money I took out of my microsoft and fb stock and bought into chdotcom a site that costs DJ money to keep up.
  Maybe you should ask him yourself.

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Reply #121 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 4:01pm
 
Naproxen) is the preferred NSAID for long-term use in people with a high risk of cardiovascular (for example, heart attacks or strokes) complications,[3]:665 due to its relatively low risk of causing such complications. Naproxen has an intermediate risk of causing stomach ulcers as compared with ibuprofen, which is low-risk, and indometacin, which is high-risk.[4] In order to reduce the risk of stomach ulceration, it is often combined with a proton-pump inhibitor (a medication that reduces the production of stomach acid) during long-term treatment, in those with pre-existing stomach ulcers, or a history of developing stomach ulcers while on NSAIDs.[2][3]:665,673"

Maybe read what Batch posted yesterday in the general section on proton-pump inhibitor.

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Reply #122 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 6:36pm
 
Hi Anubis

If you get the impression you are pissing against the wind on here, you would be correct. But the wind bags are few, however bigoted the nay sayers, you were right to put up your solution, it would have mean for you not to. For you to be attacked for doing so is not mean just plain crass.

This site may have helped save my life. I was in a great deal of difficulty and some of the advice was spot on , though some was less than helpful.

I dip in from time to time to see if things have moved on, they haven't. CH is incurable! no one knows what causes it! it is the worst pain known to man! and GP's don't know what they are talking about! neuros aren't much better! but if you find a headache specialist who tell you what you want to hear and it conforms with the views of some of eminences on  here you are in safe hands!

Lets cut some of the crap; CH does not have a single cause and there is no single panacea. NSAIDS can and do help.

My problem was a multi headache syndrome which culminated, at its worst, with CH. I had got up to a 10 and it kept on going.

I now know what causes my HA's, there is a cure but its not one I need to opt for at the moment (transected / cauterised nerves – top of neck 20mm into skull, 20mm to left from centre back).

I now juggle with amitriptyline (former depression drug) used as a nerve block, normally 40mg once per day plus NSAID  (indomethacin 25mg – 150mg per day with gut protector)). And I can control most headaches, Downside Indo gives me a full HA (both sides at back) Amitript not good with booze.

Personal body chemistry and specific impaction of nerve(s) plus other biological factors will determine what works for the individual. The “experts” are still groping in the dark with primary (don't know what causes it) and secondary (THINK they know what causes it). The truth is the current classifications of HA's are holding back the science. There is too much width in some of the diagnoses that means an individuals HA could have 2,3, 4 more causes and diagnoses. Internal blood pressure vs atmospheric pressure seems an obvious antagonist by either a blood vessel  growing through increased pressure and pressing on a nerve or the same blood vessel growing through drop in atmospheric pressure resulting in the same pressure on a nerve.

Your fix works for you and therefore may well work for others therefore don't be put off from getting your fix out their to people who may benefit.  Let the D3ers believe what they want to (D3 is a anti-inflammatory but also helps in the reduction of BP and assists with elasticity of blood vessels – studies show too much can be as harmful as too little – the experts can't yet agree on where too much / little lies). Oxygen also works on modifying the diameter of blood vessels.

There are some on here that hold that CH is a badge of honour, then there are some of us who wish not to have it and encourage others with our stories of success.
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Reply #123 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 7:36pm
 
Hey Lanc,

Good to hear from you. Hope things are getting better.

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Reply #124 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 8:22pm
 
I find it strange how people come here and insist that some of us are idiots, because "they have the cure for their type of headache."  That reminds of the surgeon who said that he got cluster headaches when he bent over too long during a long surgery, and had to take a nap to end it.

I was chronic for more than 14 years with actual CH's. If a person actually has CH's, they will fully understand when I say that I was exploring the dark and scary places in the deepest recesses of my mind. Because of the collective information on THIS site, I have not had a real CH in more than two years now. Yes, I get some really minor twinges/warnings, but......

THERE IS NO WAY that I can begin to explain what it is like to get my life back after 14 years of agony beyond my wildest imagination. Yes, really - it is that amazing. The MOST important part of my post is: The people who were the hardest on me, were the MOST effective in making me explore the options.

Pissing in the wind? Bigoted naysayers?  If you get your delicate feelings hurt on the internet, grow up, grow a pair and get over it. Been there and done that! I got all "butt chapped" a couple of times and deleted myself - before I grew up a little.

If a person spends the time to research the information available here, they will find a way to better manage their CH's.

I repeat for the folks looking for help: THIS IS THE PLACE.

Read, look, research and listen. If you get your feelings hurt, decide if CH's or your feelings are more important - before you run away crying.

People who care very deeply about the subject tend to be the most assertive and protective of this site. They worry about new people getting sucked into false narratives and suffering longer...............

Then there is the Fluffy Bunny crowd who doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, under any circumstances.

Marc

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