I don't know why I can't reply to the thread, and I may be creating more of a problem than I'm helping, but I hope not.

Everyone put your anger/self-righteousness aside for a few moments and let's think this through.

Potter's reaction was, as he says, succinct, as are all of his posts. Being an old-timer like Potter, and having seen so very many Chiropractors come on the board and make outrageous claims (and blatant advertisments) he reacted to Lauralynn's comment about being a Chiro and reacted. I fully understand his reaction, and had a very similar one on first reading of the post.

However, on second reading of the post, I looked up Carrick Brain Institute and found out they are board certified Neurologists, not just Chiropractors.  I will be doing more reading about them and their practices, for I see a number of areas I know some people could benefit from probably. CH? I honestly doubt it, but we also pooh-poohed Vit D and shrooms in the beginning, too.  Regular Chiropractic treatments I already know will do nothing for CH from much experience and from others' experience

Laurelyn frankly left me puzzled in a number of areas, and that can only be because she only posted once, and there was not room enough to answer all of those areas in that post. I'm frankly not sure her husband actually has CH or if he has bad HA's caused by another brain malfunction that are similar. NOTE: I did NOT say I don't think he does have CH. I said, "I'm not sure." The post did not go into enough detail to be certain.

The patients refusal to try O2 confuses me, and that refusal causes me to doubt CH. The ONLY things I have refused to try in the last 45 years are things that I KNOW are not in my best interest because of side-effects/allergies, etc. Oxygen has none of those for anyone.

Please let me address Potter and his posts:
I've known Potter for a long time, and I don't have to go back into the archives to know how much help he has been to a number of people over the years. He does, and has done a lot of behind the scenes things for other clusterheads most know nothing about either. OUCH gave him an award a number of years ago for his Oxygen advocacy, and it was well deserved.

Potter has a well deserved reputation for his "succinct" posts, which often are misconstrued as a personal attack on a poster. Unfortunately, all we see here are dots on a phosphor screen that don't convey body language, voice inflection, or any of a number of other non-verbal communications.

Let me suggest next time you take knee-jerk offense at one of his "succinct" posts you bother to post a question asking him "Why?" or "What do you mean by that?" instead of attacking him in return you will actually learn something. If you were responding with one hand typing on a phone, your responses would probably be succinct, too.

I often wish Potter would not be as succinct when he posts for that very reason, but I have the advantage of having known him for long enough to look past it and understand the man. He does not tolerate those he believes to be scamming the CH community or those who are pushing non-effective remedies on newbies who are desperate for help, and I appreciate that fully. I know I could not find a better friend, or another who would do what I know he has done for quite a number of clusterheads who needed help.

Is he always right? Nope. But then, who among us has never posted something after misreading a post that we wish later we could take back?

Laurelyn, I do hope you will post again. There is no greater compendium of CH knowledge than is on this board. Please let us help you and you husband.

Ditto...

Well, I try to circumvent censorship by posting here. 

I'm flabbergasted at the simple minded people that have come to this board in the last couple years. They don't recognize spam posts advertizing junk science "cures". Instead, they start slamming Potter, one of the few trying to debunk fraudulent hypes.

People, you have a computer in front of your nose! Start to use it. Here a few simple hints:

In this forum you can click on an user name and its profile will pop up. As an example Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or and you'll see that our good Laurelyn DC signed off 1 second after posting her spam and newer came back in 25 days. Of course, AussieBrian, it was her only post, because she wanted to post her add and is not interested in any replies.

In her only post our good Doctor talked about "functional neurology", a term that rung an alarm bell in my head. So I put that into Google and already the 2nd hit gave some Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or . Quote: Functional neurology ... is able to treat a multitude of conditions (e.g. ADHD, Alzheimer's, Asperger's, and Autism, just among those diseases starting with A). (... and of course, under C also Cluster). Decide for yourself if such a cure-all treatment is trustworthy.

Then I wondered if Laurelyn DC is known to Google. She is. In her profile of the first hit at Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or you'll learn that she also is adept in Cranial Sacral therapy. There is some interesting reading about this art on my favorite quack busting site Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or .

So Ricardo, Peter510, thierry, instead of slamming our best watchdog, start scrutinizing those dubious claims or you'll end up with spending not only your money but also your health on quackery.


     Ueli

AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 11:07pm:

that was one of the most condescending posts I have ever read !
I to am a simple minded person, with CH
to think, on this forum we have those that ascend to a higher plain !
Oh how great it is to be the decider, judge and jury on those deemed as spam etc.
How many people have complained, that are still members here but have been judged upon their first ever post ? and commented on there treatment when they first arrived ?
I hate spammers or non genuine posters pushing there wares on this sight, its frustrating !
I too laugh at the suttelness of some of potters posts ! some are hilarious.
but don't you come on here spaceman and preach your self appointed power to decide, crucify and command judgement on those that only wish to offer support and help for people in need of it, As I again stress, that has happened to some first time posters because they've been previously feed false information for there condition !
  You walk a fine line
perhaps there's another forum us simpletons can migrate too to help your ego !
I and probably most others do NOT need your so called protection from shonks or spam artists !!
Brian, I commend you on bringing this whole issue to the fore, and I do notice that its the likes of Brian and the others you name that are more than often the ones that give the first hand support for first time posters !
I have used the so called search button here ( amazing for a simpleton), and you spaceman pretty well offer nothing to new comers seeking advice !!  pretty rich !
why the need arrives to even address obvious spam unless the poster repeat posts is beyond me, ignoring the post is the best approach, then, just maybe, another first time ch poster, isn't mistakenly abused by those on a higher plane,
just my view
colin

forum never changes..............smh


Considering there is no known cause or cure  for CH, I am always intrigued by new ideas.  Was she genuine ?   I don't know.   Never got a chance to find out......

JHK07 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 10:31am:


Ditto...

Callico wrote, The reason you never heard anything more from Laurelyn was NOT because of Potter's post. She posted her advertisement and closed out her account before Potter in his "succinct" manner replied.

She's still a member.

Hoppy

An open post to Potter.

Potter,

In my last post on this subject I expressed a view on your manners and maturity.

I hope you accept my apology for the comment on "maturity". Upon reflection I feel I overstepped the mark. I don't know you and therefore I have no right to make such a remark.

I was going to send you a PM but as I made the comment in open forum, I feel I should retract it openly also.

Whether Lauralyn was genuine or not is still not certain and I suspect, at this stage, we'll never know for certain.

However, my beef was with the manner in which you shot her down.

I like nothing more than a good debate on any subject, but comment and opinion has to be supported by reasoned argument. In my view a single word (bad language or otherwise) does not constitute a reasoned argument.

If Lauralyn is, as you suggest, a scammer, it would have become obvious pretty quickly anyway.

So that's my only beef. Judging by the level of support you get here you have been much valued over the years and I don't doubt your intentions. I just feel that your points could be of much greater benefit if they were expressed differently.

I'm sure my view of your posting style is of no importance to you and why should it be.

Anyway, I hope you take this post in the spirit in which it is intended.

Regards,

Peter.

Did "poo-pooing" on posts about using shrooms , 02  , and D3 run batch and pinksharkmark off of this forum? NO! instead they stuck to their guns and refined their ideas and helped nearly everyone who has been on this message board and in doing so they became legendary here. When lauerlyn said that rotating 360 degrees to the left while staring at lights or dots retrains the two hemispheres of the brain to work together and properly interpret pain signals , I thought she was making outrageous claims about fixing the most complex part of the human anatomy. It doesn't sound cost effective versus D3 , 02 or busting. If there is any merit to her post then it would be logical to assume that a single word response to her post would prevent her from further explanation, unless of course that one word was spot on. A lot of what she said just didn't jive, vague descriptions of solutions to complex matters.

I'm calling the pizza dude!

BTW - O2 was around long before Batch and Flash brought the psychedelics to the MB.

Batch deserves kudos for his work in refining the use of O2 and improving availability.

Thanks Batch! (you old fart)

Ricardo wrote, Correction--You know that you have tried chiropractic treatment and that it did not work for you.  Seeing as how we do not know what causes cluster headache, and that all sorts of people react different ways to different treatments, we can not say that chiropractic work is not going to help someone until we have a study that has investigated it.

From what I've read over the years! The only headache
types that can be helped by a chiropractor are those caused by a neck problem, or a neck injury, I'm yet to     read of one where it helped in CH's. It may help in some
of the headache types that mimic CH's. But, it will not, I
say again, will not fix a CH in a million years. 

Having a neck massage isn't the same as being
manipulated by a chiropractor.