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May 15th, 2015 at 12:30am
 
Hello all! I am hoping you guys have some advise. I have had headaches for 19yrs. At first I was told migraines which progressed to a diagnosis of chronic migraines. Then I was told TMJ related to my bite. About a year ago I had consults with both an orthodontist and an oral surgeon. They want braces for 6 mths then jaw surgery to break and reset my jaw/bite, and last braces for 6 more months. If I was convinced this would help I would do it, but I'm not convinced and there is a possibility it can make it worse. Most recently because of the episodic facial pain I had a brain MRI to rule out anything of that nature. They said maybe trigeminal neuralgia. Now it is the same pattern opposite side of my face. It feels like a knife is in my face! I realize that sounds dramatic but it hurts so much I can't think. If I use my treximet it helps (only minimally) for maybe 45 mins. I use 800mg ibuprofen, BC powder, ultram and flexeril. None of this helps. I have even taken a hydrocodone a friend gave me to try ( please don't judge or tell me not to take other people's med I am just desperate). I have had Botox which was,maybe, marginally effective. I have taken Topamax in the past and had severe forgetfulness and hair loss. It was probably the closest to helping but I hated the side effects. I have added Vit D3. It is very frustrating as I will sometimes think I have found some trigger to avoid only to find that it really doesn't matter. I have stopped caffeine, made sure I have caffeine, stopped soda, avoided lunchmeat etc (nitrates), avoided artificial sweetener, ate carbs, avoided carbs....no luck. I can't even have 1 beer or glass of wine or it starts immediately. Do these sound like cluster HAs? If so would verapamil work? When taking verapamil do you lose hair? Gain weight? Lose all your energy?  I really think it would feel better to stick a knife in my face. Sometimes I pull my hair on that side just thinking maybe it will distract me a little from the pain in my face.
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Reply #1 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:40am
 
Hello Staebrown,    A good neurologist should be able to give an accurate diagnosis, I think I'm one of the lucky ( unlucky?) ones cause I was diagnosed on my first try. Someone here might be able to point you to a good doc if they know approximately where you live. In the meantime, take  the cluster quiz.
     Sometimes I'll tell someone I get cluster headaches and the response sometimes is --Oh yeah, I get those too!  So very discretely I'll ask a few questions. Like when do they come? How long do they last?  How fast do they go away? How do you treat them? And the kicker, what do feel like doing when you get one?    My experience with clusters and my wife's experience with migraines  will give 2 entirely different answers to those questions.
      
       Alcohol doesn't trigger a cycle for me, but when in cycle guarantees one 45 min later. Coffee always seems to help ease them. I've never been able to nail down, definitively any other triggers.
Except Spring or Fall, maybe if we could eliminate those my cycles would go away!
   
       This Sept will mark my 19th year also. My first post was 2 years ago this May but I'd been lurking for years before that and in that time span I've learned a ton and had my butt (Head?) saved
from (most of) the agonies of my earlier years when all I could do was ride them out.   Welcome to this site, I hope you'll find your answers.

         Sean      P.S.   find a good doc.
                           
      
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2015 at 10:44am
 
Hi, Staebrown
no one here will judge you for taking someone elses meds - we've all done things out of desperation, but we will tell you to stop, because it won't help.

First things first, there are many different headache types and they all respond to different meds, which is why it's vital to get a correct diagnosis before you start. The symptoms are very similar which makes it hard to diagnose and often a diagnosis is made by trial and error with the different meds.

You need to see a headache specialist for a diagnosis, because often neurologists will get it wrong. Once you have the diagosis you will get the correct meds for whichever condition it turns out to be.

IF it does turn out to be CH there is plenty that will help (as there is with the other conditions). Verapamil seems to be fave as a preventative, and sumatriptan auto injections are fantastic as an abortive (may be called imigran or imitrex where you live). It comes as pills too but they are not very good as they take too long.Then there is oxygen, which must be delivered at a minimum of 15 litres per minute (more is better) ad a non rebreather mask. Get either of those wrong and it won't be effective. I use the 02 when I'm at home and take the injections with me whenever I go out.

D3 is also a good preventative, but could be dangerous if you do not take all the co-factors that go with it, and get blood tests done. Contact Batch for a full list of what you need to do.

Try energy drinks. It's the combination of caffiene and taurine in a sudden hit which does the trick, so at the very first sign of pain slug one down really fast. Redbull, monster, rockstar or any drink with the combiation of caffiene and taurine. It doesn't work for every one but does for many so it's worth a shot.

Some people never find thier triggers - I never have, but we are all different. CH will never be exactly the same for any two of us, but we can still learn from, and support each other.

You can get the energy drinks now and maybe 02 too, but before you have any invasive surgeries please see a headache specialist for a diagnosis.

Let us know how you get along, and come back any time for support. Hope this helps.
Maz.
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2015 at 7:21am
 
It will help us to direct you to good sources of assistance if you will tell us where you live (city & state, if U.S. or country). At the Home page: Help button-->Edit & Profile --> Location. (This will add your location, just below your name, every time you post a message.
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Cluster is not a do it yourself project.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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WHY A HEADACHE SPECIALIST IS RECOMMENDED


Headache. 2012 Jan;52(1):99-113.
Cluster headache in the United States of America: demographics, clinical characteristics, triggers, suicidality, and personal burden.
Rozen TD, Fishman RS.

THERE REMAINS A SIGNIFICANT DIAGNOSTIC DELAY FOR CLUSTER HEADACHE PATIENTS ON AVERAGE 5+ YEARS WITH ONLY 21% RECEIVING A CORRECT DIAGNOSIS AT TIME OF INITIAL PRESENTATION.

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