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i started new treatment this year
Dec 14th, 2012 at 5:29am
 
last year i was taking sumatriptan tablet form ,,,,but this year im on the nasal pray form sumatriptan ...which i take now when i get a shadow instead of waiting for the pain to strike if and when possible....but they have also gave me prednisolone tablets and verapamil tablets but i have not tried or even entertained the notion of trying them and i dont know why this is....maybe it was after reading the side effects can anyone please shed light and give your views of guidance if you have taken either prednisolone and/or verapamil....
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Reply #1 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 8:35am
 
For your peace of mind it's essential to understand that a list of side effects is a list of POSSIBILITIES, not a prediction that the effect WILL occur. Individual variation rules and we use such info. as an effect we should watch for, not expect.

Pred., if used for long periods and at high doses, does have serious side effects. However, as we use it: high dose, tapering down each day, for a few days, then stopped. It stops attacks within hours but it's not a substsitute for meds, like Verapamil, which are safely used for months/years to reduce/prevent attacks.

So, each type of med serves a specific function, with the abortive meds for times when an attacks slips thru the other defenses.

From our perspective, the issue which you face is a medical system which has not effectively trained docs in treating Cluster. The same complaints are posted here: poor diagnosis; inadequate treatment.

Urge you to contact your excellent support group, keeping in mind that you have, by law,the right to be referred to a headache center, by-passing your local docs.

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For our purposes, Verapa. is used in doses much higher than for heart problems. That we can use such doses is a comment on its safety, even as you need a doc who must know how to supervise you at such doses.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.




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Reply #2 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 9:02am
 
What Bob said! I've been doing the pred tapers for over 25 years with only minimal side effects. A little weight gain, some irritability, a little acne when i go off, but guarantees pain free time for me while I ramp up my prevent, lithium.

The pred taper while you're ramping up on the verapamil is a very common and effective treatment plan for CH.

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Reply #3 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 9:03am
 
Bob's given you good background info and advice. I also urge you to have a conversation with your doctor. Verapamil is used as a preventative medicine and it takes time to build up in your system. The prednisone is often given as an intermediate med which really can help in the short term while the verapamil builds up. It sounds as if your doc has some idea of how to treat CHs but perhaps did not explain the meds and how to use them well enough. Look into O2 as an abortive as well. God bless. lance
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Reply #4 - Dec 14th, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
Yes, prednisone MIGHT make you hyper, aggressive, overly hungry, and in general just behaving like someone with "roid rage". Key word, MIGHT. Prednisone is a tricky beast, and it will often manifest with very different side effects from person to person. Your best bet is to just monitor yourself carefully, as you take this for the first time... or even better, ask someone else to look out for you.

Personally, I react to pred with some mood swings, hyperactivity, and a desire to eat every damned thing in the house. For a friend, it is similar but she doesn't have the mood swings. Everyone's very different on this med.
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Reply #5 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 1:17am
 
By all means, try the Verapamil - it is a lifesaver for many of us. Yes, it has side effects, among these, lethargy, constipation, and a rather negative impact on your sex life, but all are well worth bearing. 

I was getting hit 5 or 6 times a day and a 360mg/day dosage of Verapamil ended all the serious hits after about a two week ramp-up period.  I stayed on it for 4 months, then tapered off.  I spent the last 3 months of my cycle with some moderate daily pain (shaddows) but without a debilitating hit.  It is strong medicine to be sure, and your BP should be watched carefully, but I can tell you from one CH'er -- IT DOES WORK!

Don't put youself through additional suffering when there is chance that the standard therapies can help.
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