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Nov 27th, 2012 at 4:20pm
 
Hi guys, my names Jack and I'm a 19 year old student. Had some horrific headaches over the past week, Originally thought it was sinus but now I'm pretty sure its clusters.

The pains always above and around my left eye (eyebrow), and it starts to water and ache. I've had 3 upto actual headaches upto now since last week (when the pain started) I've constantly had a throbing/niggling pain over my left eye and around above my nose even though its not severe, is this normal for clusters?

I've been taking Nurofen to help me with niggling pain over the past 2 days,however doctor has given me Zapain (which contains 500mg paraceamol & 30mg Codine.) The first time i took some was this evening and it seemed to work in about 20minutes or so. Now its gone I can just feel the niggling/dragging pain above my eye STILL, it just wont go even with these strong tablets... why??

Also on saturday I sneezed twice and then within a couple of minutes my eye was just stabbing and then again this evening I felt the best I have all week for an hour then a sneeze... bam agony. The doctor said this could be hormone levels etc and is common in young boys. I'm really worried this will impact on my studies as I'm second year at uni and really want a good career.. feel lonely because nobody seems to understand!

Also I've been sleeping fairly well and my head seems okay in the morning generally... is this normal?
Any additional information that might help me get by would be helpful.

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Reply #1 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 4:41pm
 
Hi Jack,
My name is Tim and I've been dealing with CH's for about 14 years give or take. (I am just hoping) your headaches don't sound consistant with typical cluster headaches. I'm not saying yours aren't bad....nor would I EVER. Typically, cluster headaches hit us at night. However, it is not uncommon at all to when we will be attacked. These tricky bastards are unpredictable at best. We normally get hit at night though. From what you described, it doesn't sound like cluster headaches. How are your sinuses? If you have been conjested and taking on other sinsues infection symptoms.....hopefully that is all it is. To know what we go through.....see the thread titled: "Describe your pain" hopefully, this doesn't describe yours. Man, I so don't want our population to increase by 1.
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Reply #2 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 5:10pm
 
Hi Tim, firstly thanks very much for your reply. I really appreicate the time you've taken to talk to me. I'm very sorry for the pain all you guys seem to go through, it seems horrific... and even if mine arent cluster headaches in the end.. I will never forget this website, my girlfriend is becoming a doctor and she now knows much about this, and I will ensure she does everything she can to help anybody in the UK with this condition.

My pain is like a really really severe constant throbbing, deep pain directly on/around my eyebrow and moves around to the centre above my nose sometimes. However like I said the dullness/dragging pain is constantly there on my left eyebrow even now when I've taken those strong painkillers.

I have had trouble with my sinuses in the past and recently.. however my doctor said its cluster headaches.. but what does she know I guess? From what people have described on here my pain doesnt seem like its in my brain and hot iron being put through my eye. But its the worst pain I've ever suffered in my head.

Is there any typical symptoms that new cluster headache sufferers experiance? what were yours like? I mean for all I know they may start at night... when I wake up in the morning I just seem to have achey pain behind my eyes.

Maybe I should go to the Doc and request a scan of my Sinuses? I've not had any fever or runny nose etc.

I've had red, watery eye and get hot when the pain comes.. I do know that is a symptom of cluster headaches maybe thats why the doctor has linked them together?

Thanks very much again,

Jack
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Reply #3 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 5:48pm
 
Okay Jack, here's a good game plan for any headache suffer, and particular to cluster headache if you think that's what you have. Others will likely be along with some more specific information. Think of this like an overall attack plan...

1. Educate. First educate yourself via this website, which you're already doing. Also check out the links on the left side of this page. Take the cluster quiz and see if you might have CH. Keep in mind that only a competent doctor can diagnose you, but it's a good start in figuring out if you have CH. After you have educated yourself on this condition, your next (possibly difficult job) will be to locate an educated physician. We can help with that.

2. Plan. If your neurologist diagnoses you with CH, you will need a solid plan of attack. First will be to use a "transitional" medication like prednisone to get you through this rough patch and buy you time. Second will be to also start a "preventative" medication like verapamil, topiramate, or lithium. Third will be to have one or more "abortive" meds like oxygen or sumatriptan injections that work quickly when your preventative fails.

3. Coordinate. Meaning, the ongoing part of this process. You will need to work up new routines and new methods of coping through the course of cluster headache. Trying to get enough sleep, exercise, medication management, emotional help, etc. can be challenging.

So a lot to take in, but I hope it helps!

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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 5:58pm
 
Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

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Reply #5 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 6:26pm
 
I live in the UK (Manchester). I suffered from general headaches when I was growing up, and proberly only ever had one or two Migraines in my entire life.

I do get quite stressed and worried at times thats just my general personality and do get headaches when I'm tired. However over the past year I've had ringing ears, popping in my left ear and sinus issues generally when I go on a plane and if I've had a bad cold.

This is the first time I've had headaches like this above this eye (left side) which I thought may be related to my sinus/ear problems? Im unsure, doctor said its cluster headaches and common in young men such as myself (19yrs).

The pain has been on my left eyebrow for about a week now (literally not gone for a week... constantly!!) and is a dull nagging pain that sometimes moves slightly to the middle of my forehead above my nose. I've sneezed a few times before the pains got severe? The pain comes quick when it does within 5minutes maybe. Don't know if this is what you guys called aura or maybe linked to pressure in my head/sinuses?

So far I've had no problems at night apart from the dull ache worrying me and keeping me awake, however I've got aches behind both eyes in the morning it seems then just turns into my eyebrow nagg again after being up an hour maybe. When the bad pain has come  (about 3 times over the week so far) my eye has watered, I've not really had a runny nose or anything. The pain was pretty bad for what I'd call a headache its behind the eye aswell and is throbbing and fairly deep.

The doctor did say my sinuses would be tender if it was them.. however I don't know if this is always the case if its an underlying problem?

It seems very difficult to determine weather this is clusters or sinuses or something else thats going on in my head Sad very confusing and stressful for me. And I dont really trust doctors.

Thanks for your time guys.... Any tips or input is helpful at this time
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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 7:56pm
 
See my message, in this section, from your countryman--David35lx.

Everything I have written there applies to you.
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Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2012 at 8:44pm
 
Do you get shadows? (Generally a slight burning/tingling sensation that's followed by a very warm sensation that coats the side of your head that you generally get attacks) I usually get a "shadow" 5 minutes prior to an attack. I don't have abortatives to take to stop the oncoming attack, so this is when I generally get prepared for "the hit". You should talk to a good neuro first (or atleast a headache center) before you jump on the cluster headache wagon. If they are clusters, I'm sorry to say this, but they will be with you for many years to come......unless you are blessed with terminal remission. Man, when I started getting mine in college....they weren't the same as they are now. They were much milder with long remission times. Get diagnosed. If you do in fact have them, then you can atleast arm yourself for the coming attractions in the future. Nothing against you, but I believe that "cluster Headaches" are becoming the new trendy diagnosis. Dodctors were so quick to diagnose migraines 10 years ago and I believe that now....most GP's will diagnose clustaer simply because they don't understand this area of medicine. Get a good neuro and have them diagnose you. The GP shoud of just given a referral, not diagnose outside of their area of expertise. But that's just my opinion. Once again, I hope for your sake that its not this nasty condition. They won't end your lifestyle, but they sure cause a lot of distress and frusteration. Please.....get diagnosed.
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Reply #8 - Nov 28th, 2012 at 8:33am
 
Hi Tim, thanks for the reply.

I've not noticed this warm sensation feeling, I just get this almost deep pressure feeling above my left eye and slightly towards the centre of my head. It feels like someones pressing really really hard on my head, then it begins to throb and throb. The only signs so far that (i think) which doesnt mean much, is that I've sneezed and then within a few minutes the pains come on bad.

I completely agree with the doctor thing, I don't understand why they can't just do their jobs properly. Especially when people are in so much pain and distress. As for the pain today... continuing to nag and nag above my left eye.

Cheers buddy.
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Reply #9 - Nov 28th, 2012 at 3:11pm
 
I have to agree it does not sound like clusters. It does sound painful however. My best advice sounds harsh but it isn't meant to be: quit self diagnosing, or internet diagnosing, and see a headache specialist. You are obviously suffering and any help you can get is a good thing. Blessings. lance
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Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2012 at 9:00am
 
Thanks very much Lance I appreicate everyones opinions. I'm going to get myself booked into the doctors again for next week. Going to ride out the pain for the weekend as I know I'll proberly just get fobbed off if I go back too soon.

The only way I can relate the dull pain I have constantly is from what I've read as 'shadows'.... if shadows are possible to be around for a long period of time with some severe headaches over a period of time.. maybe its that. Will see what doc has to say... cant wait (sarcasum)...

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