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Oct 30th, 2012 at 11:51am
 
Hi Guys. New to site. Recently diagnosed with CH. Have been using Sumatriptan and doc gave me some relpax today  to try and stop the cycle. Forgot to ask if I can mix them. Any opinions on this? 63 yrs old, never had a headache except for odd hangover. Been on cycle for three weeks now - 2-3 hits/day.
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Re: Relpax
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
Relpax is in the same family of meds as sumatriptan; both used to abort an attack. My most trusted source says it has a good rep. as an abortive.

I've never heard of it being used as a preventive.

And, both should not be used at the same time. Important that you check with the doc to confirm his intenjtions and directions.

The most widely used and effective preventive:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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The doc may be avoiding Verap because of your age; it's sometimes used to reduce blood pressure and your cardiac history  then becomes an issue.
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But your age--and this is the first time you have had Cluster, I understand--raises a question to bring up. Onset at this age is rather unusual and may signal another disorder which needs to be considered.

I'm attaching the following, not to scare you, but to make the point that there are a number of disorders which mimic CLUSTER but which are not headache disorders. Suggest you print out this material and ask if it raises any questions for him.

The singular issue which makes treatment of Cluster so difficult for many is the surprising lack of education and experience which docs have with Cluster, even neurologists have meager training, per formal studies. So, it's not an insult to ask about his training/experience.

IF you can't satisfy yourself that your doc has experience/training, consider a specialist:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Link to: cluster-LIKE headache.


Section, "Medications, Treatments, Therapies --> "Important Topics" --> "Cluster-LIKE headache"
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And (finally!):
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Re: Relpax
Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 3:08pm
 
Thanks for the info. Took a Sumatriptan 50mg this morning at 5:30, (Daily dose 200mg max) then a Replax 20mg at 12:30 pm. (Max 40mg/day) Tried calling my dr, but couldn't get through. Nurse said it should be ok so long as I don't take any more. Hopefully it's ok. Scary stuff. Live on PEI Canada. Bought the vitamins today. Going to start the D3 regimen tonight. Thanks again.
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Re: Relpax
Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 10:19am
 
Good luck with all of that. I have heard of some using triptans as a preventative, mostly to ward off the nighttime hits. My guess would be that if your episodic you have a better chance of this therapy working than if you are chronic. As a chronic, I have to be more judicious in how much triptan or DHE I pile up in a short period of time, knowing there is no foreseeable end to the cycle...it is just eternal. God bless. lance
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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 10:41am
 
Like any med, these two meds have side effects which you need to be aware of but--not "scary". The safety track record is high as is effectiveness.

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