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Sep 9th, 2012 at 7:06pm
 
Hi guys, I have had a year with virtually no CH and am taking 250mg verapamil. In fact for a period i discontinued the verap altogeher. But now the CH are back with a veangeance at least 1 per day and I sometimes have to take 2 cafergot to get relief. any suggestions? I will see my quack soon but she doesnt really have a clue. I only got onto the verapamil from reading this website.
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 7:15pm
 
Increase the Verap!
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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You're blessed if you get relief from cafergot.
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Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
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I will see my quack soon but she doesnt really have a clue.

Why not spend some time looking for a doc who does?
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Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 9:30pm
 
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Read this and get a neurologist. Talk to them about oxygen.
Just a suggestion Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2012 at 3:59am
 
The verapamil dose is really low, with a dose of 360-480mg a day working well for many, however some people go to over 1000mg to get relief.

I can recommend a good neuro in Auckland who has helped quite a few people here in NZ. If you want her details, send me a PM.

Have you got oxygen yet?
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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2012 at 12:00pm
 
There ya go, my friend...all great advice. I second each suggestion. Let us know how you make out. blessings. lance
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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2012 at 7:10am
 
Am seeinjg my GP tomorrow (tues). I had a really bad CH last night and ended up taking 3 cafergot tablets to eventually get rid of it. Normally 1 tablet or at most 2 will do the trick. I am printing off these replies to show the doc and will see what she says about increasing verapamil dose even if just for the short term. I found that by taking 4 verapamil per day or 500mg it kept them at bay for the week I trialled it. the 250mg per day has worked well for more than a year and I thought the CH were over for me. In fact for a while i discontinued the verapamil altogether. It is a nightmare that they have come back.
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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2012 at 11:02am
 
Be careful messing with verapamil doses on your own. While you are on a low dose at 250mg, increasing it by yourself may lead to further and more serious problems. Also, don't skip past the advice to use O2. It's better, more efficient and faster than cafergot. In addition, check out imitrex injectables or nasal sprays. Get armed and meet the best head on! blessings. lance
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