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I think I've gone chronic
Jul 30th, 2012 at 1:21pm
 
Well, I guess it had to happen. Over the last number of years, I went from brief episodes that lasted a few weeks to now I have been in cycle since December 1, 2011, with only a brief 2 1/2 week break during April of this year. The pain is being managed, and the CH is damped down with Topiramate. I was tortured prior to taking it, and it's tolerable now that I'm at 300mg again. You can see from my historical posts, I've checked my D levels, etc. and I'm on 10,000 IU of D every day. It just seems I've moved on to chronic, and I'm pretty bummed about it, to say the least.
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Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 2:24pm
 
You won't be officially chronic until you get to Dec. 1, 2012 without at least one break of 30 days or more.

Just trying to brighten your day a little. Cool
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 6:26pm
 
Brew beat me to it.  He is correct.  Take a deep breath and tell us some more...what are you taking?  How many times per day are you getting hit?   I'm certainly sorry that you've been getting hit but it isn't quite time to say you are chronic just yet.
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Reply #3 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:16am
 
Brew & Linda are right, Chronic is sometimes rushed. When it comes down to it, right now is what matters. If and when we may turn Chronic, we fight the same fight.

The attacks are the same for Episodic and Chronic CH, they hurt like hell. The fight is the same, winning is optional. And illusive at times. In the end all we have is our own knowledge of CH, and it's treatments even when the Doctor has never heard of it.

No I'm not anti Doctor, I'm anti CH.

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Reply #4 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 6:53am
 
Mike, I'd be (happy?) to step into line beside you on this march we're all on. I was a 2-3 month cycler before this, averaging one bout every 2-3 years before this one. Beginning of last September, I started my usual cycle and that October, I sustained a mild concussion. I am still in cycle 11 months later.

I don't know if I'm chronic or will be, nor if it matters much. That said, I pay attention when Bob posts medical literature, because those papers do make a distinction between episodic and chronic--if it will make a difference now or in the future, I want to know. If you have a reasonable belief that you may become chronic, I think it's equally reasonable to ask questions about the condition.

What you will also see here (look above), is folks who will rightly caution anyone not to borrow trouble. In the end, both EH and CH are butt-kickingly painful and for the most part, need the same treatments.

I feel for ya big time, though. Really. I guess I'll have to wait another month to get my official sash and crown.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 7:22am
 
IHS Diagnostic Criteria: Chronic

Cluster headache attacks occurring for more than 1 year without remission or with remissions lasting less than 1 month.
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Reply #6 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 8:58am
 
Thank you all for your input and I never want anyone to feel that their input is unwanted. I value it all. I have had a 2 1/2 week remission since December 1st. At that time, I thought it was just a really long cycle (you can see my ranting posts from back then). I am on 300 mg of Topiramate. It works well for me. It didn't for a while back then, we tried many other things, but I'm back to Topo as it seems to work best, and the side effects have faded over the last couple years. I don't even get tingling or anything anymore, even at this higher dosage. my pain is manageable. Off of Topo, I'm in constant pain 18 hours a day, with severe hits in the middle of the night, half a dozen a night. On topo, I have mild pain at worst, with a couple hits a week, not bad, and a couple times week, I get a mild hit at night that includes an aura or flash that looks like a lightning strike, often right at 1:30 AM, like an alarm clock. I use Sumavel shots, which make me want to puke, but are effective, I use O2 and D vitamins, believe it or not, good old aspirin has some relief for me at times as does cambia with the sumavel. I've tried the other drugs, and nothing else works and the side effects sucked. I tried steroids and they did squat. for the December cycle I had one day of relief and then it came back with a vengeance the next day.

Hope that's descriptive enough.
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Reply #7 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 9:20am
 
Curr Treat Options Neurol. 2011 Feb;13(1):56-70.
MANAGEMENT OF CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.
Leone M, Franzini A, Proietti Cecchini A, Mea E, Broggi G, Bussone G.
SourcePain Neuromodulation Unit, Department of Neurology, Headache Center, Carlo Besta Neurological Institute Foundation, Via Celoria 11, 20133, Milano, Italy, leone@istituto-besta.it.

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OPINION STATEMENT: Primary cluster headache (CH) is an excruciatingly severe pain condition. Several pharmacologic agents are available to treat chronic CH, but few double-blind, randomized clinical trials have been conducted on these agents in recent years, and the quality of the evidence supporting their use is often low, particularly for preventive agents. We recommend sumatriptan or oxygen to abort ongoing headaches; the evidence available to support their use is good (Class I). Ergotamine also appears to be an effective abortive agent, on the basis of experience rather than trials. We consider verapamil and lithium to be first-line preventives for chronic CH, although the trial evidence is at best Class II. Steroids are clearly the most effective and quick-acting preventive agents for chronic CH, but long-term steroid use carries a risk of several severe adverse effects. We therefore recommend steroids only if verapamil, lithium, and other preventive agents are ineffective. In rare cases, patients experience multiple daily cluster headaches for years and are also refractory to all medications. These patients almost always develop severe adverse effects from chronic steroid use. Such patients should be considered for neurostimulation. Occipital nerve stimulation is the newest and least invasive neurostimulation technique and should be tried first; the evidence supporting its use is encouraging. Hypothalamic stimulation is more invasive and can be performed only in specialist neurosurgical centers. Published experience suggests that about 60% of patients with chronic CH obtain long-term benefit with hypothalamic stimulation.

PMID:21107766[PubMed]
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Reply #8 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 5:32pm
 
I'm starting to look into the nerve block and neurostim options as a very preliminary step. Many insurance companies do not seem to cover these, but then again, Apple's UnitedHealth does cover more than most. I'll report back what I find.
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Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:05pm
 
I think I may be chronic too.  I didn't want to jinx myself, so I've been avoiding the subject.  This cycle started the first week of April.  Hit heavy, daily, 10's until end of June.  Now I go a couple of weeks PF, then BAM.  Now, 2 nights in a row, 2 K10's a few hours apart.  I'm scared.  23 years of episodic.  I won't be able to handle this.  Do chronics have K-10s daily?  I don't have the strength. Not anymore.  I welcome suggestions, and I pray a lot.  How do you deal with this on a daily basis?  I don't know.  I have O2, what a blessing.  And, I recently was able to get a few trex injects, and I am so thankful for that.  But still.  I just don't know.
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 7:56am
 
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I thought it was just a really long cycle


I'm chronic and have been for many years, but I think of it like a really long cycle...if I can get a day, or two, or possibly even a week (!) of relief, I'm ecstatic. I think the real problem is when one is episodic, you can look down the road to the cycle ending, instead of focusing directly on the problem at hand. The chronic doesn't do that, there is no "cycle end." So we tend to focus more strongly perhaps than does the episodic. It does get wearying though. Hang in there Mike. We're pullin' and prayin' for ya. blessings. lance
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
Thanks. Believe it or not, the pain isn't so much what bothers me, if that makes sense, it's the thought of dealing with the pain, and it's been depressing. Not sure that makes sense, but it does in my head. so when the pain is here, I can handle it, but when I think about dealing with it 10 years from now, I'm depressed, or when I think of maybe missing things (I've missed a few things in the last year) it's sad. I'm only 41. I've been able to cope with serious exercise, which helps, though I've developed migraines over the last year, so sometimes the  migraines are worse with exercise, and I have "competing" headaches, one wants me to get up and run around, and one wants me to sit in a dark room and cry. Some of the pain comes on so gradually, that it goes from mild pain to making tears come out of my eyes, and it hurts my wife, I can see it, and I just get away from my kids so they don't see it. Other times, I'm OK, no pain, or just what "WE" consider no pain, and then BAM!!!, a K8 or K10, that literally makes me fall to the floor, or worse, if I'm driving, i have to pull over, and I get a few hits like that in an hour or two. Those are the worst.

This NJ weather of clouds and rain, and hot and cool and no steady weather has been horrible too.

Thanks for the rant.

Mike
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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 3:43pm
 
My husband has been chronic over 5 years now.  At this point, we don't even remember when his last PF day was.  But not getting 6 - 8 a day and only 2 - 3 a day (most of the time) is relief in itself.  I know not all of his hits are kip 8 - 10, but I know also when they are.  (at least when I am not at work myself) There are days he seems in good spriits and ready to fight to get on with his plans, and there are days when he just dosen't seem to function at all, tired of fighting.   I still pray for the day he gets on here and finds you all.  Hang in there Mike!  We are all here for you.

My husband tried the nerve block and it didn't touch his.  Didn't change a thing except to aggrivate it. (He thought) When life became unbearable and he got so depressed it scared me, the Dr. suggested a gama knife to it.  That didn't stop them, but the reduction in the high kip hits went down.  That's why he say he gets 2 - 3 hits a day.  He has many small ones, but he says those are tolerable and doesn't want to waste O2 (that he just started using not too long ago) and his tripan injections. (Which he still uses more often than the Drs would like)

We live in the snow belt region just south of Lake Erie and our weather is always moody and changing.  We have even thought about moving also.  But I have spoken to some on this site who live in areas I thought would be better, and they suffer just the same.  Tongue  If there was a perfect weather area that cured CH and someone found it....I am sure that all the CHs in the world would be moving there!!!  At least we would know we were in good company Wink

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Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 3:53pm
 
Thanks Beth. Could you imagine a town with all CH'ers? I don't know if it would be great, or a terror town? We'd all understand each other, but outsiders probably would be welcome. LOL. I too don't like the O2 that much. That's why I started exercise instead. I run. It apparently has the same effect, and it's not as harsh on my sinuses and everything else, since the O2 seems to dry me out and make me feel odd. I use the Sumavel shots, and they make me feel like hell, but only for about 1/2 hour and they do often work. Sometimes up to a week, though sometimes for only about 12 hours. At $95 a pop, it's a gamble, but one I'll take when I'm desperate. I was becoming a Red Bull junkie, so I backed off those for a while, but I'm sure I'll go back to them soon, if my mid-day hits get too unbearable. Lately, the lightning strikes and severe pain in the middle of the night are what scare me. i can actually see what looks like lightning striking in my eye. and it wakes me up.
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Reply #14 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:01pm
 
Prog Neurol Surg. 2011;24:126-32. Epub 2011 Mar 21.
Peripheral nerve stimulation in chronic cluster headache.
Magis D, Schoenen J.
SourceHeadache Research Unit, University Department of Neurology, CHR Citadelle, Liège, Belgium.

Abstract
Cluster headache is well known as one of the most painful primary neurovascular headache. Since 1% of chronic cluster headache patients become refractory to all existing pharmacological treatments, various invasive and sometimes mutilating procedures have been tempted in the last decades. Recently, neurostimulation methods have raised new hope for drug-resistant chronic cluster headache patients. The main focus of this chapter is on stimulation of the great occipital nerve, which has been the best evaluated peripheral nerve stimulation technique in drug-resistant chronic cluster headache, providing the most convincing results so far. Other peripheral nerve stimulation approaches used for this indication are also reviewed in detail. Although available studies are limited to a relatively small number of patients and placebo-controlled trials are lacking, existent clinical data suggest that occipital nerve stimulation should nonetheless be recommended for intractable chronic cluster headache patients before more invasive deep brain stimulation surgery. More studies are needed to evaluate the usefulness of supraorbital nerve stimulation and of vagus nerve stimulation in management of cluster headaches.

Copyright © 2011 S. Karger AG, Basel.

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Reply #15 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
Hello Mike,

    Keep up with the D3. I'm episodic and still fairly new to the whole thing, but it's been really helping me. Also, I'm not far from you (Hamilton, NJ). If you'd like to meet up or just chat, send a Private Message.

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