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Jul 27th, 2012 at 2:45am
 
So,
I am in the middle, or beginning of my cluster cycle... who knows what point it is at. I am starting to experience upwards towards six attacks a day. I can only abort two of them in a 24 hour period with my Imitrex injections. I had a really bad one tonight, it just would not go away. The pain was so bad I went to the ER to get some oxygen since it has not been delivered to me at home yet. The check in nurse was not only rude to me but threatened me if I did not open my eyes and answer her questions she was not going to check me in. After I complied with the pain getting even worse because the light was affecting me with my eyes open, they left me withering away on a hospital bed for over thirty minutes, no oxygen not even any one coming in to check on me. I was drenched in sweat, tears steadily flowing from my eye on the affected side and snot running down my face from my nose. The room they had put me in had all the lights on and the tv was blaring. I got up and stumbled to the nurses station and pleaded for oxygen and was told to go lay down and wait for the doctor. At that point I was on the verge of getting violent and left the Hospital and came back home to ride out the attack. The attack kept a strong grip on me for over three hours. I am going back to the hospital and am going to speak to the administration officials about what or what not they had done for me. If i do not get satisfactory results I will even be tempted to see what an attorney thinks. I was completely on the verge of just swallowing the nearest bottle of pills to end my misery once and for all. I am so tired of living with this pain. I can't do it for much longer and it seems that there is little to no help for me what so ever!
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Reply #1 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
Just read through some other posts and realized i didn't offer much about my history.

I am 41 years old, I have been suffering from Cluster Headaches since I was 12 years old. I went into remission for the very first time about three years ago. It was the best three years of my entire life! My clusters are back and I am approaching the end of my first month in experiencing the rebirth of my hell. I live in Bangor Maine. The clusters I am experiencing since they have returned have been worse than any other cycle I have experienced so far. Just yesterday I went through an attack almost immediately after I had been able to successfully abort one. One after another after another. Yesterday was the worst day I have have ever had and taking my life seemed as if it was not such a bad solution. I am severely depressed and on top of that Bi-Polar and ADHD as well as PTSD. Depression is an every day battle for me with or with out the head aches. I am at the end of my rope. I can not count on two hands how many jobs I have lost due to my cluster head aches. Thankfully I am on disability due to my Bi-Polar and depression, how ever I began working part time for the first time in three years after thinking everything was getting much better and now I am back to missing consecutive days from work and trying to explain to your Boss that you can't work because of head aches is nearly or next to impossible. I doubt I will be employed for much longer since it has been now almost three days since I have been out of work and have already lost almost an entire week at the beginning of the cycle. I have noticed the more abortive I use the stronger the next cluster is. Almost like it comes back with a vengeance because you aborted it. Hopefully will have oxygen delivered in the next day or two or atleast by Monday! I seriously am at a point where I believe death would be my next option... I don't mean to sound dismal or am not looking for sympathy or pity but I am so tired of living my life like this. There is no quality to life for a CH sufferer, I just want it all to go away!
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Reply #2 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:56am
 
Good Morning Adam,

   Sorry you have to be here, but you're in the right place. There's a ton of information on this site and hopefully some of it will bring you some relief. There are plenty of folks here with a lot of knowledge to share.

  I reccomend you go to the "Medications, Treatments, Therapies" section of the board and take a look at the post "123 Days PF And I Think I know Why". It's a Vitamin D regimen alot of us are taking that is providing relief. All over the counter suppliments and relatively inexpensive.

Also chugging a RedBull at the first sign of a CH can take the edge off.

Others more knowledgable than myself should be along shortly to welcome you tell you about a myriad of other things.

Welcome aboard,

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Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Adam, I'm sorry to here this happened to you, But this is something that is nothing new to CH sufferers at the ER, the treat us like Drug attacks. last time i was there, they asked my what medications i was on i told them all, lithum, verapamil, topamax and the only one they cared about-> dilaudid (for the attacks i cannot abort because like you said you can only use triptains twice in 24 hours) and i'm chronic. The nurse started asking me why, who prescribed it how often i took it, then asked me if i felt safe at home and if i wanted to harm other. These are the last things i want to deal with in the middle of a full blown cluster. they always preach to me about narcotics and i never ask for them i would prefer the migraine cocktail which has no narcotic's. Have you tried Batchs D3 regimen, you should check it out it helps a lot of people be pain free, hopefully you will get you oxygen delivered soon too. your in my prayers.
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Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 1:53pm
 
Thank you Lydia and DVB!

I just got home from walking down to the neighborhood Pharmacy.

I bought two bottles of D3 5000IU $9.39 each and Buy one get one free of Omega-3/ 1000 mg. $7.29

I am taking them now and praying to god ( normally I am cussing him out ) that they work. I will continue to post my results. I am so glad I have found this site!
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Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 2:05pm
 
i know exactly how you feel, I ask god why me all the time, what have I done to deserve this?. I have more cluster headaches a month then there are days a month! I have a 4 year old daughter and am a single mom and unfortunately she sees me during some of the attacks and they scare the hell out of her and it makes me feel horrible =( i have my times where i feel suicidal, But my little girl keeps me going. Your right when no treatments seem to be working there seems to be no quality of life. Make sure you try all the available options, look at the Clusterbuster.com site to there is a treatment option there too its not mainstream medication, I haven't tried it but a lot of success from what I've heard, Please don't lose hope okay ! Do you see a Neurologist or a Headache specialist?
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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
Glad to hear it Adam. Add Calcium Citrate (preferrably one with Magnesium and Zinc) and a Multi-Vitamin. After the first few days on it my CH became a little unpredictable (more frequent, but less intense). Didn't get my 3AM "wake up call" after day 3 or 4. Took a couple weeks to go completely PF and pass the beer test. Stick with it and I think you'll be happy with the results. Post any questions you might have (and any updates your progress)in the "123 PF..." thread, Batch usually  provides answers pretty quickly. Best of luck to you.

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btw, I lost my old wedding band in Penobscot Bay 2 years ago. I look forward to getting back up there to "look" for it....
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Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
I have seen just about every type of specialist known to medical science. I went from age 12 to 22 as being treated for sinus and allergies. I finally made a doctor switch whom then noticed the indications of my head aches being similar to cluster head aches. He then referred me to a neurologist who confirmed his suspicions and diagnosed me as a chronic cluster head ache sufferer. After the official diagnosis I went through all kinds of med treatments and none seemed to give me any kind of relief. Depakote, lithium, ergots, verapimil. The depakote made my hair fall out and now I am bald, lithium makes me feel like a couch hippie. The prednisone taper was unsuccessful. I have been poked and prodded so many times that it should be illegal. I am surprised my body continues to replenish the amount of blood they keep taking from me. I am now taking lithium, a couple of different blood pressure meds, abilify for the depression and Imitrex for the abortive side. The only problem with aborting my clusters is that every time I abort one I am pretty much guaranteed that the next cluster will be 2x the pain. It seems if I let the clusters complete it's attack with out an abortive then the duration between my clusters seem to be longer and the pain intensity seems to be less than when I do abort them. At the age of 39 I went into remission for almost 3 years, it was the very first time I have ever experienced a break form the head aches longer than a few months. Alas now three years later they are back and it seems they took the three years off to only come back and give me the best of the best attacks I have ever experienced since suffering with CH. I am getting up to six attacks a day. Forget sleeping, to sleep means to be awaken a couple of hours later already engaged in a full blown attack. The last few days I have been bed ridden, for the cycle is completely non forgiven. I abort and 15 minutes later I am back to being a pool of sweat, tears and agony. I am hoping to atleast be episodic this time around. If it becomes chronic again I do not know what I am going to do. I just started to get my life back on track and only to end up back to square one!  Cry 
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Reply #8 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
Adam - don't forget to add the adjunct minerals (magnesium, zinc, boron, calcium). Otherwise the metabolism of the D3 will draw those minerals out of your bones and you'll get brittle.
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Reply #9 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:04pm
 
Ok ty Brew, is there a multi that will give me all of them in one pill or do I need to purchase them separately?  Also, if I take them separately is there a suggested dose amount like the D3 and omega regimen?
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Reply #10 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:06pm
 
Don't know on the multi.

I take 600mg of calcium citrate, 250mg of magnesium, and 50mg of zinc in addition to a multi.

Check the "123 Days..." thread for more specifics.
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Reply #11 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
Citrical Plus has Magnesium and Zinc:

Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container:(Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets]) 
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D(as cholecalciferol) 250 IU 63%
Calcium (elemental) 500 mg 50%
Magnesium 80 mg 20%
Zinc 7.5 mg 50%
Copper 1 mg 50%
Manganese 1 mg 50%
Boron 0.5 mg *

I take a supermarket brand Calcium Citrate Plus suppliment that has just about the same qty of stuff....

Also, check out Walmart for the supliments, might be a little cheaper than the Pharmacy.
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Reply #12 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:36pm
 
Thanks DVB and Brew... on my way to Wally World.
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Reply #13 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 8:46pm
 
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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:19pm
 
Hey, AdamT,

Your experience is typical, not atypical. Sad as that seems, it just means that you are your own advocate.  Frankly, I don't see that changing soon.  Having said that, these folks have experienced pretty much everything that is CH, and they have helped me get my life back.  CH? Yeah, still got 'em, even more so.  But the O2 has helped a lot.  And I stumbled on the split doses of sumitriptan from someone here.  When I was unable to get 4mg does, they gave me 6mg doses.  Didn't make sense, and now I am down to 2mg doses.  I have no idea if this makes any sense for you, but sometimes people have trouble when the dosage is high.  My best to you.  You are right...no one should have to deal with this. God and I are gonna have a chat one day. 

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Reply #15 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 8:52am
 
I love that god and I are gonna have a chat one day. LOL. What do they say god will only give you what he know you can take, he must have a lot of faith in me then. LOL.
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Reply #16 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 9:39am
 
Cluster headaches reminds us of two things we'd rather not know: pain can be remarkably intense, and we're broken. I know of no religion that promises pain will become fun or our brokenness can be cured here and now. Certainly, Christianity does not. The promise is we can and will be made whole, with a deposit and guarantee here and now, for a yet to come moment when all is made well again.

In the meantime, we are given several tools to cope: medicine, knowledge, fortitude, faith, and for us above all, oxygen!

You need your own set up, not later but sooner. Do it right, get a good nonrebreather and a regulator that goes up to 25lpm, and do it before you bother wasting time complaining to hospital admins. Take care of yourself now and first. Second, get one of those docs to prex a Migranal nasal spray. It's not as fast as imitrex but for me anyway, lasts longer. Finally, review your med lists for dosage amounts. For example, most docs don't want to go above 240mg/day with verapamil, but most of us find relief in the 460-960mg/day range.

Hang in there. God has not abandoned you nor have we, the hospital routine has. As Lydia said, nothing new, nothing to see, move along. God bless. lance
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Reply #17 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:08pm
 
Please post your experience with the vitamins. I keep meaning to try it, but haven't yet. I just started a cluster so prob should start it as well
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Reply #18 - Aug 25th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
We're all with you Adam.  I can't tell you the emotional relief I felt when I found this site during my last episode.  Just knowing I could vent to those who "get it" is a huge help...and I would venture to say could help you on the depression side!

That said, I am episodic and live in dire fear of going chronic...for all the reasons you relate.  But know this...there is at least one person in this universe of hell of ours that is thinking "Wow, if Adam can hang through this, then maybe I can too!"

My other tidbit of advice...don't wait for O2 to show up at your door.  Find out where it is coming from and go bang on their door!  Good advice to get an Optimask non-rebreather and high-flow regulator yourself...not too expensive online.  But call around to all the oxygen supply houses and "respiratory services" providers until you find the one your insurance company uses...then keep bugging them.  I now have enough tanks in my basement to start a nuclear war! Smiley Smiley
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Reply #19 - Aug 25th, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
Sounds all too familiar...
First off, hospitals are useless if trying to get O2. Try your local fire station, the paramedics will usually take one look at you and hand it over. You might even stop by and get to know them ahead of time.
Another point, get at least your own mask. Buy the O2ptimask on this site. Not only does it work the best, but if you show up with it somewhere looking for O2, they will be more likely to believe you know what you are doing.
I always recommend buying all your own equipment, it really isn't that expensive compared to imitrex and ER visits etc. That way you will never be at the mercy of someone else!
If interested in purchasing your own, we all will answer any questions and help you find what you need.
Finally, I know what you are saying about the CH getting worse/dragging out, after aborts with imitrex and others... me too. Look at the imitrex tip link on the left. 2-3mg may work well and give you less slapback, save you money and give you more aborts per day (12mg/day is max, but that could be 6 doses). Rebound headaches are always a concern for me when medicating heavily. Oxygen works better, has no side effects, and allows me to "clean out" when needed.
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Reply #20 - Aug 25th, 2012 at 6:02pm
 
PLEASE!
Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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It's curious that, considering the real complexity of your total medical history, and then the severe problems with the Clusters, that no one has suggested the value of working with a headache specialist. As we keep observing, neuros have so little training and experience with complex headache disorders, that searching for a authentic specialist is important.

So, if you have the option:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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It's especially important to have a skilled doc on board because, I assume, of the range of meds which your other conditions require.
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