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Jun 25th, 2012 at 4:38pm
 
Hello my name is Sara, I'm new here and wanted to say hi. I suffer from the chronic form. I haven't had a break from my headaches in 6 months, and usually have about 5-7 a day with my first starting around 1:30am every morning. My doctor started me on 360mg Verapamil SR, and Imitrek nasal spray. I hope it works. Smiley Other than that I'm a nursing student, and spend my free time building/programming computers. Cool

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Forgot to add that I have been diagnosed and have a pretty good support system at my house.
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
Sara, I'm sorry to welcome you by taking a shot at your doc but....

Both the meds/dose you note are not suitable for Chronic.

Bottom line first: is this doc a specialist in headache or does he have much experience in this complex area of medicine?

First, nasal spray is the least effective form of Imitrex and especially given the frequency of attacks. The injection form is the most favored for cluster because of its faster and predictable action.

Second, the dose of Verapamil is rather low for most of us (unless you are just now starting to use it and the plan is to increase the dose in increments). It's not uncommon to be as high as 900mg.

Three items to give you some introduction to Cluster and its treatment.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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See the PDF file, below. It outlines the most commonly used meds & the latest evaluation on effectiveness. Worth printing out and use as a discussion tool with your doc.
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I appreciate that this is a fulsome introduction for you but it is important that determine whether you are being offered the best treatment plan.
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 5:23pm
 
I appreciate the information a lot actually. Thank you for it.

No he is not a headache specialist. Can you recommend someone who might know more?

He just started me on that dose of Verapamil SR , and will adjust with time. I'm going to inquire about the injection since my insurance doesn't want to cover the nasal spray anyway.

At this point I'm just looking for anything to make this stop, or at least catch a break.
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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
I have read on many sources that the prednizone taper is effective as a treatment while you wait for the calcium blocker to take effect.   I started my dose last Friday and have had only one CH since (was getting 3-5 per day the week or two before).

Alas - if your insurance doesn't cover the nasal it may not cover the injections.  See if you can at least get samples - if the injections work I believe that is confirmation that you are having cluster headaches - but that is just my guess.

Also - got a tip here about taking a 100mg Imetrix pill before bed to prevent a hit as you first fall asleep.  Seemed to help.

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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 11:14pm
 
Welcome to CH.com,
The link below is about Oxygen as a good treatment for CH.

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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 11:10am
 
LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

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5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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Reply #7 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:49am
 
I agree about needing a headache specialist. In part, they understand better than does a regular neuro or GP our need for effective abortives and are more likely to be sympathetic. They also may be willing to try something a regular GP or neuro won't. While the nasal spray is slower, in my case, it lasts longer. I use Migranal which is a form of DHE. I use imitrex injectables when I am away from my tank, or when I need faster relief. I use Migranal when I am at home, have O2, and can wait the time for it to take effect. Not in the same 24 hour period I hasten to add. Your journey has just begun. Good luck, keep asking questions, and God bless. lance
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