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An Oxygen Critical Thinking Challenge?
Jun 25th, 2012 at 2:11am
 
Hi everyone.

I posted here awhile ago prior to my corneal transplant, and had just been diagnosed with chronic clusters. Well, with an official diagnosis after having a raging Kip 9 in the office and presenting the complete Horner's + stuffiness, my doctor is still trying to go the Topamax route as we work up to somewhere around 75mg a day... I'm supposed to give it time apparently.

After over a year of basically constant cluster, I'm ready for this to be over, and willing to try ANYTHING to get this to stop. After my surgery, I had Vicodin for eye pain (which incidentally did absolutely nothing at all). Oxygen as an abortive sounds like the best and cheapest option, as I have had mixed success with Imitrex and my insurance allows so little of it that I'd still be in agony most of the time. Unfortunately, the whole "having a transplanted organ on the outside of your body and commuting to school without a car" thing is kind of a problem. I'd like to try starting oxygen as an abortive, but being at school for half the day is kind of a problem, as I'm not supposed to lift more than maybe 10, 15lbs at a time for fear of my eyeball 'a-sploading all over the place. That's about two textbooks, an Ipad, and a coat. Any way that oxygen could work for me that you guys can see that I'm missing?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 2:49am
 
By the way, the Vicodin is provided as an anecdote, the day after my surgery the eye clinicians couldn't believe I was up and walking around behaving perfectly normally. My IOP was 50 from the surgery and apparently most people are curled up in a little ball and throwing up if their eye pressure is that high. For some reason they continue to not believe me at every visit when I say that I'm at around a 6 or 7 on their pain scale... hoping that O2 will provide relief, as I know that opioids won't, after just toughing out the post surgical without. Thanks Cluster Headaches!
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 3:54am
 
Can you leave some oxygen cylinders at school so you don't have to carry them around. Then when you need them just head to where they are stored and use them?
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 4:06am
 
That was my first thought, unfortunately the campus is huge. I go to University of Washington, certainly something to investigate at least.
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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 7:44am
 
My E tanks are attached to a small wheeled cart, kind of like a golf caddy. I just put the mask and reservoir bag into a plastic bag. and pull the cart behind me. I got it at the med supply store that provides the tanks and the O2 refills. Perhaps you could do the same? blessings. lance
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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 11:12pm
 
Lance,

This is brilliant. Starting to think the Topamax is getting to me...Why didn't I think of a cart!?

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Reply #7 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 8:57am
 
Yup, that's the one! blessigs. lance
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Reply #8 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:13am
 
Suggest you print the PDF file, below, and use to discuss options with your doc. Note that Top is not as effective as Verapamil and it's being used along with Lithium for Chronic.
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Title:  Double Blind Comparison of Lithium and Verapamil in Cluster Headache Prophylaxis 
Author: Bussone G, Leone M, et al.
Date:  Posted: January 2010
Source:  Headache  30:411-417, 1990
Chronic Cluster Headache (CCH) treatment is troublesome; since there are no pain-free periods, it must be continuous. The most effective CCH prophylactic drug today is lithium carbonate but long-term use of this drug is limited by the possibility of side effects. Recently, calcium antagonists have been successfully employed to prevent migraine, and preliminary studies also indicate that verapamil in particular is an efficacious treatment for CCH. We have conducted a multicenter trial employing a double-dummy, double blind, cross-over protocol, comparing verapamil with the established efficacy of lithium carbonate, in preventing CCH attacks. BOTH LITHIUM CARBONATE AND VERAPAMIL WERE EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING CCH BUT VERAPAMIL CAUSED FEWER SIDE EFFECTS and had a shorter latency period. We did not observe any correlation between plasma levels of the two drugs and their clinical efficacy. Both the drugs tested here may exert their effect by restoring a normal inhibitory tone to the pain modulating pathways from the trigemino-vascular system, a circuit putatively implicated in CCH.
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For Verap alone:
Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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While this med is not suitable for Chronic because of the multiple dosing required, would be interesting to do a short trial to see if you are one of the folks for whom it kills Cluster entirely.
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Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.


Rozen TD.
Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.

Since this abstract was first posted Zyprexa has appeared in some lists of recommended meds for CH. [BJ]
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Re: An Oxygen Critical Thinking Challenge?
Reply #9 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 4:50pm
 

One more suggestion is that they DO make smaller cylinders, you know. I would say they weigh about 5 to 7 pds. WITH the regulator and you can hide it very easily in a back-pack instead of wheeling around a cart. Ask your supplier to give you some for when at school along with the e-tanks for home. 

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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:57pm
 
The use of a cart is very common in patients with emphysema (COPD). Mostly I have seen C cylinders being used and they simply drag them around wherever they go so they have a constant supply.

As someone else suggested very small cylinders may be an option which you could just carry in a backpack.
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