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May 6th, 2012 at 4:41pm
 
I am not sure where to start. I think this bout started in 2008. Dec 2009 I had a full hysterectomy/rso. I was already having MAJOR menopause symptoms including headaches. I passed out 4 or five times after surgery and eventually had a MRI and MRA of my brain, cervical, lumbar and thorasic spine. MRA was clean. MRI should no MS lesions (2010). The MRI on my brain was done during a horrific migraine. My Cervical spine is trashed. I need a tri-level fusion. I have tricompartmental stenosis and other issues. My lumbar spine is less trashed and not fixable with surgery but the pain travels down the front of my legs to my feet. I have been diagnosed with Migraine w/ and w/out aura. Migraines without pain which freaked out the first neuro so bad he referred my case to a specialist's specialist. The second or third neuro finally got a cocktail together to help but it does nothing for the CH and she has not dxed me with CH. I have them there is no mistake. They are totally different from migraines but they do feed each other. I am also mentally ill. I have Panic Dx, Mood Disorder, and now Major Depression as well was RLS, movement disorders, fidgeting nervous disorder (I forget the name), GERD and not sure what else. Yes I am Vit D def. I tested at 15. I am taking 10,000 units a day just upped from 5 a week or so ago. I have extreme allergies including gluten, rice, corn, carrots, etc.

I am currently on neurontin, xanax, tramadol, (toradol or ibu 800 or ketoprofen), (skelaxin or zanaflex), reglan, hydroxyzine liquid.

I have tried and failed with topamax (taper off caused initial MAJOR depression), depakote, elavil (gained a ton of weight), cymbalta (useless), lexapro, ergot, midrin (useless AND allerigc to tylenol), norvasc (swelled up), seorquil, risperdol, paxil, keppra, beta blockers, predisone (allergic), lidocaine patches, gel and cream (allergic reaction BAD) and more.

I take one of the anti-inflamatories and one of the muscle relaxers. Not all of them at once.

I have been disabled since Oct. 2009. LTD ran out in March. Court for SSDI is in July. I ONLY have PAC which is medical assistance light so at this point all I have is my shrink can't even get a PCP until after I see the shrink because there is a 10 day lag in coverage for a change and I see her next thurs. Next drug I am going to try is Wellbutrin. I am going to try and see my neuro out of pocket if I can afford it. 

My CH's are usually on the left side. Face swells and goes numb. Eye droops. Sometimes my nose runs or is stuffed up. Not sure about the pupils. My pain diary pretty much looks like the textbook. I wake up in horrid pain around 2am ALOT. I just went through three ha's since 2pm today. On off...on off...ARGH.  I am an ice person heat makes everything worse. I have a TENS unit but it seems to do nothing for CH's. My CH's are light and sound sensitive so are my migraines. My gangloin lump is like a radar detector for my pain.

My case is complicated and has gotten me fired from more doctors before they even cracked my file than most people see ever in their life.

I am trying to up the water. I already intuitively figured this out and I drink alot during heavy pain periods. 

Until I get back to my neuro I do not know what else to do to end this cycle of torment. It hasn't been this bad since Sept. of last year which was the last time I passed out. I know this got long I just am in so much pain I am mentally banging my head against the wall right now.

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Reply #1 - May 6th, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
Darkfire,

Welcome aboard CH.com.  There are a lot of folks here that should be able to provide you with helpful information.  Try to do some reading in the tabs on the left and in the "sticky" sections at the top of the Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies forum in the "Important Topics" section...  Lots of great information there.



I've also sent you a PM with information that may be helpful in addressing a number of your conditions...

Take care and again welcome aboard.

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Reply #2 - May 6th, 2012 at 8:38pm
 
Welcome to the board Darkfire, just ouch,  Cry you've got a pretty full plate there. Have you tried oxygen therapy yet? I'm a 34 year episodic CH sufferer, and oxygen has all but eliminated all other abortives for me. I feel the beasty starting his attack, I fire off my oxygen tank, 6-8 minutes later he's gone. Here's a link to read with info for your doc. It must be used correctly or it's worth less. The keys are high flow rate, minimum of 15 LPM, a NON re breather mask, and started at the first sign of a hit:

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My guess is Batch may have pm'd you about oxygen and about the vitamin d regimen, the man knows of what he speaks on both issues.  Smiley and some pain free vibes your way.

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Reply #3 - May 6th, 2012 at 10:07pm
 
He did and I thanked him muchly. Hubby is making me coffee so I don't tail spin back into pain. Just woke up from some good sleep but the shadow looms:( Then we are going to try to go to Wal-Mart to get fish oil and calcium. I don't want to go through another night like last night. I hate feeling like I am hungover when I can't drink anymore. I  am one who CANNOT drink during a cycle. Not one drop. I can turn a cluster into a raging level 10 migraine though if I drink enough alcohol and yes I did this ONCE on purpose to ensure yup there really is a difference in CH and Migraine and yes I have both. Now back away from the whiskey  woman lol. I haven't been this hopeful since the first time they shot me up in the ER with reglan 3 times,zofrin and toradol followed by the narcotics.
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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2012 at 1:03am
 
Back from Wal-Mart. Just took two Calcium and one Fish Oil.
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Reply #5 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:20am
 
As Joe said, ouch!

Have you tried verapamil and / or lithium as preventives? Both work well in their own right and sometimes together when they don't work by themselves.

Batch will have given you some great advice, I am yet another to benefit from the vitamin D3 plus using oxygen to abort.

Keep reading and asking questions galore and you'll learn so much about handling CH.
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Reply #6 - May 7th, 2012 at 5:18am
 
No Lithium requires blood tests and I was paying cash to see my shrink for almost a year after Cobra ran out and when the state cut off my PAC. I have PAC back now so it's an option to get blood tests. I see her Thursday and will discuss.

Calcium channel blockers are off the table. I had a SEVERE allergic reaction to Norvasc at 2.5 MGS. I lasted 9 days on it until the swelling was so bad my eyes swelled shut. Also my blood pressure would drop too low when I stood.  Beta blockers are also off the table, I asked to try another in the class and the Doctor said NO you tried two, both caused allergic reactions.


Obviously, the first day with my new supplement's didn't work out as I wanted. I am up with a switching shadow at the moment. I woke up with an ice pick in the right side of my skull but I am a left-sider so it didn't take long to switch and my left eye to droop and tear up.

Thank you for the input. I still think she may want to try Wellbutrin first.
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Reply #7 - May 7th, 2012 at 7:25pm
 
I'm confused.  Is your shrink coordinating your meds for clusters?  And you do realize that Wellbutrin is NOT used for the treatment of clusters.
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Reply #8 - May 7th, 2012 at 10:17pm
 
At this point yes. She knows my Neuro personally and referred me to her when the other specialist didn't know what to do with me. Sure it's not but with 60 failed meds we want to try and fiddle with the dopamine receptors to see what happens. CH is only ONE of my many problems but the mind and body are all connected. I am her lab rat. I can live with that.
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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2012 at 8:21am
 
Darkfire, I've read through all your posts, and as you have pointed out, yours is a complex case. Our desire around here is to be helpful in battling the beast, but we can sometimes go overboard with our recommendations. That won't work in your case. Our second mission is clearly to be supportive even if we can't "solve" your issues. That we do very well, too. So, use this as a sounding board. Don't expect we can make it all better for you (not saying you did expect that but sometimes we really, really hope we can) but rather know you are welcome and we will remain interested. Keep us informed of your progress especially as it relates to battling the beast. In the meantime, blessings and prayers for a better day. lance
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2012 at 3:43pm
 
wimsey1 wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:21am:
Darkfire, I've read through all your posts, and as you have pointed out, yours is a complex case. Our desire around here is to be helpful in battling the beast, but we can sometimes go overboard with our recommendations. That won't work in your case. Our second mission is clearly to be supportive even if we can't "solve" your issues. That we do very well, too. So, use this as a sounding board. Don't expect we can make it all better for you (not saying you did expect that but sometimes we really, really hope we can) but rather know you are welcome and we will remain interested. Keep us informed of your progress especially as it relates to battling the beast. In the meantime, blessings and prayers for a better day. lance



Damnit lance, as usual your eloquence awes me, well said sir.

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Reply #11 - May 8th, 2012 at 7:06pm
 
I called the Neuro hoping to see her she stopped accepting insurance and was usually booked out for 3 Months. She is one 3 docs listed on OUCH for CH help in my state (Marcia Ribiero). She did not DX me. Another Dr. did.  She dxed me with Migraines of varying types. However, the staff upon hearing my symptoms worked all day until at 3PM I got an appointment for Monday at 4PM. They got me one for Thursday but I see my shrink and hr before so I couldn't take that one. 4PM is a good time I should be in horrible pain.

She is only charging me $120 to see her which is amazing.

I was just in so much pain and nothing has worked I was letting my shrink experiment with me. But after crying pretty much nonstop from 3AM this morning until 1PM I was like I have to try something to try and get to my Neuro.

I see the Shrink first and have to deal with the fact Neurontin has swelled me from foot to knee. And obviously did nothing to stop the CH cycle from coming back. Nor did it level my mood.


There is no way you can go overboard with me. If you told me to stare directly at the sun until my retina's burned I'd try it at this point. It is that bad.

Now if  you have any suggestions on what to say other than. NO I haven't had spinal surgery yet. My meds work for MOST migraines but I am in a CH cycle that started in April and it's getting out of control. I am trying (insert batches method here)  but need more help. 
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Reply #12 - May 9th, 2012 at 7:43am
 
Darkfire, I know Neurontin has some broad applications for pain, but it did nothing to help me with CHs. And I was taking 3600 mg/day at the time. I encourage you to push for O2: read the link at the left, nonrebreather, high flow, etc. It won't be contraindicated by any other med you're taking, and it really does help. It beats the heck out of staring at the sun.

Another thing: even the "good" neuros who are familiar with CHs can't know you as well as you know you. I am afraid you are becoming so couch-broken you no longer are self-responsible. Take back a measure of your own will and research this site like nothing else. Take notes. Ask questions, here and of your docs. But if you do have CHs you must become your own best expert witness cuz no one else will. Be prayin' for ya at the docs. Blessings. lance
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Reply #13 - May 9th, 2012 at 8:08am
 
I have my pain diary printed. the O2 printout and know I need to start telling the doctors no more meds. I am tapering off Neurontin and my feet are still so swollen no shoes fit. I have some HUGE flip flops to wear.

I've been fighting for over three years and yer right I am more like a wounded kitten than a person anymore. It took everything I had just to get that neuro appt.

Thanks for your help.
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Reply #14 - May 11th, 2012 at 10:06am
 
[size=12][/size]wimsey1 wrote on May 9th, 2012 at 7:43am:
Darkfire, I know Neurontin has some broad applications for pain, but it did nothing to help me with CHs. And I was taking 3600 mg/day at the time. I encourage you to push for O2: read the link at the left, nonrebreather, high flow, etc. It won't be contraindicated by any other med you're taking, and it really does help. It beats the heck out of staring at the sun.

Another thing: even the "good" neuros who are familiar with CHs can't know you as well as you know you. I am afraid you are becoming so couch-broken you no longer are self-responsible. Take back a measure of your own will and research this site like nothing else. Take notes. Ask questions, here and of your docs. But if you do have CHs you must become your own best expert witness cuz no one else will. Be prayin' for ya at the docs. Blessings. lance



I was having a BAD allergic reaction to Neurontin looks like 10lbs in edema at least. It did NOT help I am in cycle and was on Neurontin. You understand  they want try every freakin drug out there on me. Worried about Diuretics and what the Neuro will put me on Monday we opted to triple my dose of allergy med hydroxyzine liquid which does offer some teeny relief with ch's as well. It's liquid and works FAST.
I think they are going to try Baclofen on Monday. Verapamil, Neruontin, Topamax and a few others listed all failed but Baclofen might help.

As for the Wellbutrin. Yup. I have it at a baby dose. I will not even bother starting it until 1. The last allergic reaction stops. 2. Headaches are until control.


As for 02 I have all the info printed but apparently state PAC doesn't want to pay we may have to get some special permissions. I won't know until Monday.
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Reply #15 - May 14th, 2012 at 1:29am
 
At some point the extreme pain of CH will make this your number one concern. The shrink can't help. You will learn that this web site has more info than any other source, including your Doctor.

Once I learned this, from CH.com, I finally gained much better contol of my once life destroying pain. 24 yrs and going.       ,Don
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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2012 at 9:47am
 
I agree with the others that you really, really, really need to try O2. Even if it doesn't fully abort, it is often very successful at lowering the intensity of the headaches. After reading your posts, you really don't have much to lose.

Hope you find a way to get a handle on your situation.
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Reply #17 - May 14th, 2012 at 9:58pm
 
Well the Neuro said the other Dr. may be wrong. She thinks I have some weird 'marriage' of Complex blah blah Migraines and some cluster 'aspects'. But does not think I am a full out cluster head. That said, getting 02 from her is out at least till other methods are tried and I get medicare. Right now I have medicaid light. There are a slew of meds I have not tried and am going to now. Maxalt minty thing (she wants me to try this for what we think are those weird marriage headaches that the other Doc said were CH's), compazine, baclofen(preventative) and the rest of my meds. Gone are Toradol, Reglan, IBU 800, Neurontin and Skelaxin.

Both docs are on board with Batch's method so I am going to start that again.

Thank you for all your support you guys have helped me mentally so much.

Now this welders 02 thing is out of reach for me at the moment. Hubs had a great job interview today so perhaps sooner than not I will be able to afford some trial just to see if O2 works for me.
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Baclofen for your headaches?  Why?
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Why Baclofen? It's on the list. I tried most other preventives with no result. I am also on Zanaflex another muscle relaxer. Same Doc. Baclofen in the day and a big dose of flex at night to keep me knocked out hopefully.

Believe it or not it is listed as a preventative for CH headaches. It has Gabagenic  properties and I have no idea, here?

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That's what I could come up with in two seconds. What my Neuro said was too much for my pain addled mind to handle at the time.


I can't even tell you if it works as the pharmacy doesn't have many patients like me and well they had to order most of my meds. I can't just go to another pharmacy they are electronic and I have a narc contract (for tramadol), one pharmacy only. So I wait.

My neuro is  a neuro - psychiatrist. She really spends alot of time with me and can handle me. I have mental health issues. So I don't want to give her up nor not even try her plan. With the way state works all these expensive scripts cost me 0-$2.50 in copays trying to get 02, three months of paperwork.

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Reply #20 - May 16th, 2012 at 7:58pm
 
Didn't take the anti-nausea med first and threw up violently from the baclofen. Least I made it to the bathroom unlike when I took flexeril. Of course the head throbbing then started and hello migraine.  Now I don't know which med stayed down or not. And ppl wonder why 02 is used. NO SIDE EFFECTS....ug I'll get there. Hubs got the job and starts tomorrow. Soon as we are bill stable I am going to try this 02 one way or another. I am taking meds for the side effects of other meds....
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Have you taken our "cluster quiz"? It may help YOU decide if you have CH.

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Reply #22 - May 17th, 2012 at 6:28am
 
RE: cluster tests

I did and every other one I can find on the net and I test positive for both. There is no doubt I suffer from complex migraines w/ and w/out aura w/and without nausea. However, I go through cycles in Spring, Fall and sometimes in between with daily rapid onset intense stabbing eye pain with a droopy eye, clogged up nose etc. BUT It has switched from left to right a few times then back to left. The last CT the did they told me I have a sinus infection. My sinus infection miraculously went away after the headache poofed. Migraines do not POOF. Migraines do not  wake me from a dead sleep either. I have had a Migraine and on top of that a Cluster I say ON TOP because the pain felt layered. Once the Migraine was cured it took a whole lot more to fix the cluster.

Another example. I am in the ER. I had a reaction to xyzal and paxil turned into panic attack and rapid onset level ten head pain AND flank pain. So they rule out kidney stones for flank pain and do a CT scan and find tumors. scary stuff. They pumped me full of drugs. Had the hysterectomy 2 months later. They PUSHED dilaudid and the flush happened INSTA panic - no breathing. They slapped me with 02 and I was hyperventilating that stuff. The headache stopped I calmed down. Sadly they took the 02 away and the headache came back and instead of giving me the 02 back the shot me again with dilaudid. Guess what NO relief.

That is the only proof/example I have of 02 worked and yer psycho mean narcotics did not.

Migraines pulse. Migraines make me see colors and when ppl touch my occipital area they can make me see things, shapes, colors, tracers they can change my aura colors from blue to red to gold. Did I mention my cervical spine is trashed?

The other headaches are solid, eye burning feel like I am hungover and didn't drink. They wake me up. They poof like I said, gone from 10-0.

Again the neuro said she thinks I have some complex marriage between many different types of headaches. The medication she gave me is insanely strong and the insurance and pharmacy have questioned her like ten times this week making sure she really means all this stuff. I honestly cannot ingest the amount of meds she has me on. I mean I don't think I could literally stay awake to take that many. And I am scared to death to start the compazine. But I am afraid to take more Baclofen without it because I threw up so bad yesterday.

My own pursuit of 02 will begin. Hubs starts a new job in two hours and hopefully we'll be bill stable in a month.

Again thanks everyone for their support. I really don't know if I truly am a clusterhead after what my neuro said but I know 02 cannot hurt me and if it works fork her and her bag full of meds.

As the weather is changing I believe this cycle is ending or Batch's method is working or the other meds. Either way the hits are less. Coming earlier at night 3 am  was 4 before then 5...
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Reply #23 - Sep 27th, 2012 at 6:30pm
 
Hi Darkfire, 

I am new to this forum and a past CH sufferer. I found your post by searching for "cervical spine".

I had a terrible time with CHs in 2010. I kept oxygen available and used the abortive medications to simply survive. In december of the same year I awoke with my symptoms on the opposite side and nothing helped for relief.

Fast forward - this ended up being a pinched nerve in my cervical spine. I asked my doctor to carefully check my MRI and described my CH nightmare. He did and discovered bone spurs on the next level. He felt this was the probable cause of what I described as CHs.

I had a cervical fusion performed that took care of both levels in early 2011.  As I write this on 09/27/2012, I can tell you that I have not experienced another episode.

This may not be the answer for you. I just wanted to share what my experience has been, the relief I received, and send my energies for the highest possible good outcome for you.

I remember all too well the pain, fear, and loneliness of my experience and hope I can somehow help others avoid it. The surgery was not cheap by any means (35K), but I had insurance and family support. I thought it would be worth a shot to make this suggestion

My sincere wishes that you receive some relief or a cure .

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Reply #24 - Sep 27th, 2012 at 11:48pm
 
That's great news Jayne, glad you found relief and thanks for sharing your success story. May it give you a lifetime remission! Wink

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