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Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
I'm so glad I've found this website at last. I've suffered from headaches since I was 14 (44 now) and I've been to see GP's numerous times - each time I've been fobbed off with possible explanations for these headaches. I've been told they were migraines by one GP, another told me they definitely weren't migraines. I've been on all kinds of medication from beta blockers to this latest prescription for some kind of heart medication, one GP even told me my head was too heavy for my neck and that maybe sticking a rolled up newspaper down my top might help. Anyway in the last month my current has finally diagnosed cluster headaches - it feels good in some ways for someone to give it a name but I'd rather not have to suffer them at all. I've tried every kind of treatment I can think of over the years and the only thing that I've found that helps and this has only happened over the last 6 months is a red hot shower - as hot as I can bear it for as long as I can bear it.

I've also only just noticed that I get a kind of warning sign of an attack - I get so cold, normally I'm a very warm person, and I can't get warm and my fingers in my right hand tend to go numb. The pain is always behind my left eye - I can relate to someone else's comment about walking with your head on one side - I've always done that when I'm having an attack and I've tried so hard to squash my head in the headboard to try and stop the pain - I've even punched myself in the head!!

I get so down when people don't take cluster headaches seriously - some people have even said that they are self inflicted and in my imagination. I just wish they could experience one day of what I suffer on a daily basis - I can count on one hand the days I don't have a headache. I'm so fed up of these headaches getting in the way of living - they affect so much of my life.

Anyway it's so good to read some of your experiences and to be able to know exactly how you feel. Hopefully some day someone will work out what really causes these headaches and find a cure for them. Smiley
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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 4:03pm
 
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Your history around docs is SO to be mistrusted, and no info re. the source of the Cluster Dx, leaves me with only one immediate suggestion: Find a headache specialist and get a good work-up.

There are a number of disorders which mimic Cluster, some of which are serious. Why a trustworthy Dx is essential.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 4:55pm
 
Hi Karen and welcome

Are you working with a headache specialist, not just a GP or even a standard neurologist? The reason for this is that headaches are pretty complex and most doctors have very little training in this area.
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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:03pm
 
Hi, no I'm not working with a headache specialist at the moment - my GP is trying on me some tablets to prevent the attacks and has given me 3 weeks to see an improvement. If these tablets don't won't he says he's going to refer me to a neurologist but has already told me that he doesn't think they'll be able to help me any more as no one understands what causes the headaches.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:32pm
 
Hi Karen

I'd insist on seeing a headache specialist. GPs get a few hours total training on headaches whilst they are at medical school. With CH being pretty rare, the majority of GPs will never see anyone with CH and are unlikely to treat it effectivly.

There is also a chance that it might not be CH as there are multiple other causes of CH like pain - Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

What medication did the GP give you?

Also dealing with CH isn't just about preventing attacks, it is also about aborting them once they start, using oxygen, imigran injections or similar. You need to have an effective preventive and abortive.
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:39pm
 
Hi

I've just started taking Verapamil a week ago so don't really know if they're working or not at the moment - I had a really bad attack the day after I started them but do realise that they will take longer than a day to start working. In the past I've been on propanolol, which worked for a number of years - still got attacks but nowhere near as often but I suddenly started having a bad reaction to them.

I've also tried imigran and sumatriptan - both of which did absolutely nothing for the pain.
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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:44pm
 
Karen, even as I was reading you post I was thinking, "UK". Your story is so very common, reflecting how poor is your docs' education in headache.

Urge you to contact your excellent support group and let them guide you thru your health care system. I understand that, by law, you have the right to be referred to a headache speciality clinic, by-passing the local docs.  They are doing excellent work.       

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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2012 at 12:04am
 
Hi Karen

Verapamil takes about 7-10 days to become effective, so a week is still early. Plus you'll normally start on a low dose and build up, with 360-480mg a day being common and some people needing up to 1000mg.

Do contact your UK based group too, they will be able to help you with getting good CH treatment on the NHS.
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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2012 at 3:10am
 
Thank you all for your advice - I will definitely contact the UK support group. As you so rightly say the care in the UK is pretty much non existent for headache suffers. It's taken me 30 years to get to the stage I'm at now - most of the those 30 years though I just learnt to put up with it but it's time to try and sort something out now - I'm fed up with not being able to live a normal life because of these headaches. This country really does need educating in this problem. I'm stivcking with Verapamil for now in the hope that they do start to work - I've not been too bad this last week but not sure if that's the tablets or just the normal lull in the pattern.

Thank you all again for your help.
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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2012 at 8:02am
 
Good morning, Karen (it's morning here, anyway) and sorry to hear of your experiences with the beast. Here's the thing: unless you hook up with someone who really knows CHs, your treatment plan will probably not rise to the level needed. The dosage strengths we need are off the charts for "normal" people and docs tend to be hesitant to go that far. You don't mention what strength verapamil? Most docs want to level off at 240mg/day when 460mg seems to be our starting point. The same is true with the triptans. If it was a pill, no it won't act fast enough. And please explore carefully, taking notes, and not missing any detail on the use of energy drinks and high flow O2. You may find it the same blessed Godsend I did. Blessings. lance
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