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Feb 21st, 2012 at 3:00am
 
Hi to all

I'm new on here and am a lil unsure what to write so i'll just put a few things about myself so here goes.

My name is Dave, i'm 34yrs young, live in Preston, UK, I have suffered from cluster headaches for a long time now, since i was about 18yrs , sadly tho i thought it was just me for many yrs so suffered on my own til about 5yrs ago when i decided to go the docs which is when i was refered to a specialist who confirmed that i suffer from c/h's.

I was given verapermil tablets to take, which don't always do the job tbh, just last night i had a serious attack which completely wiped me out and i remember thinking at some point that i can't go on like this anymore, they are really getting me down lately so here i am to hopefully speak to people who are in the same boat as me and to see how other people deal with it, i'm hoping my first post is ok for all you guys and look forward to reading your replys.

Many Thanks >> Dave
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 3:49am
 
Hi Dave

Welcome to the forums where you'll learn more than you though ever possible about CH and how to deal with it effectively.

Verapamil is a pretty good CH preventive, but it isn't 100% perfect, so you'll always get some CHs that get through. For these you need an effective way to abort the CH so you don't have to ride out the CH but kill it off quickly.

What I and most others here use is oxygen at a high flow rate (15lpm - higher is better) via a non-rebreather mask. With this setup, at 25lpm, I can kill off my CHs in under 5 minutes, which is a lot better than the 45-90 minute torture sessions I used to have. You can get oxygen on the NHS in the UK.

Read all about oxygen via the link on the left.

Imitrex injections (the pill form is too slow) can also kill off CHs in minutes, but they have a few more side effects compared to oxygen which has none. You can get these on the NHS too.

Red Bull or similar energy drinks with both caffeine and taurine drank at the start of a CH can drop the intensity and duration.

Read up about how high dose vitamin D3 is helping many, myself included - Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

And read and read and read. You'll learn a lot and ask all the questions you can think of.

There is also a UK specific group - Ouch UK - Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

They have UK info and a phone help line. Make sure you also tap into their knowledge and skills.
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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:36am
 
I agree with Mike here that verapamil is an effective preventative, but not foolproof enough to ride the temperment of cycles.  Sometimes an extra amount can be added for harder times and better prevention, then tapered down when a cycle's appetite is still antagonizing but cageable.  Altering dosage needs to be done gradually and with a doc's consent.

How much verapamil are you taking per day now?

Doing without abortive measures though is like not having a net, which should be required.  Mike's spread of abortives mentioned is what's needed.  Also though for bearing without, an icepack on the pain source may assist in enduring, but do what you can with an energy drink and request oxygen.

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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:32am
 
So many of the folks who write from the UK convey the difficulty of finding a local doc who has any knowledge/experience treating Cluster. Often the treatments offered are just wrong or outdated.

Work with your support group (address given) and ask them about a law which, I understand, gives you the right to move directly to a headache clinic for care, by-passing any local docs.

Print the PDF file, below, and give to your present doc. May give him some guidance for the most current good practices

For your information, print this entire artricle:




Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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This site has some good material but it takes some patience to explore it--but written by one of the better headahce docs.

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You will find many of your questions/issues regularly explore on our pages and so regular reading here will help.

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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:05am
 
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This is the website Bob speaks of. It has a lot of area specific info that might help you get the treatment you need. I'll second the motion on the oxygen, it aborts my attacks in about 6-8 minutes. Beats those old 90 minute hits.

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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 4:12pm
 
Hi! I'm also from the UK and although I've only had clusters for 2 years have found this site amazing.  The amount of really useful info and experience is great.  It's also making me realise how lucky I am.  I live in north Yorkshire (the rural part) so to get diagnosed after so quick by my local doc is pretty good going.  The best thing about the site is you are not alone!  I've just started on prednisolone today 12 x 5mg for 14 days and have had a pain free day!  Am also on verapamil but breakthroughs have been fairly serious even on 480mg so by my reckoning by the time my pred tapers off I should be nearing the end of my cluster period anyway.  I really feel for anyone who has suffered as long as you without a diagnosis.  Keep in touch and check out all the great info on here. Smiley Smiley
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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 8:30am
 
Hiya Dave

Having suffered for some fifteen years now, I can totally appreciate your situation. Before christmas 2010, I started the mother of all episodes, to be honest I was suicidal, averaging 7 or 8 attacks every day, for aound three months, with only two injections a day to go at. Constant background headaches in between. Went on for over 3 months.
When I found these guys, they gave me some red hot advice, the very best of which was to get on the O2. My consultant was Al Din at pinderfields, wakefield, and he listened and read the sheets I printed off. Bottom line was I got the O2, it was a godsend at my last episode and the doc has now backed that up with an extended drug regime for my next episode. I don't have the details to hand, as I'm at work, but Al Din has certainly taken it very seriously and seems to really know his stuff.
Bottom line, start by getting that O2, no matter how much you have to argue for it. If your neuro isn't proving to be up to the mark, ask for a referal to Al Din, he's only over the hill. I'm sure you'll be welcomed, as a visitor, to gods own country! As long as you go back to the heathen land afterwards!! lol.
All the very best, be PF

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Reply #7 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 3:55pm
 
hi dave, im also in the uk and have suffered for about 7 years now with cluster headaches, i found verapamil made me feel very sick and didnt helpp my headaches at all, neither did sumitriptan or oxygen.... ive been reading about deep brain stimulation.... looks very promising!
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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:10am
 
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i found verapamil made me feel very sick and didnt helpp my headaches at all, neither did sumitriptan or oxygen


Again, tell us more. What dosage levels were you on? Was the sumatriptan pill form (ineffective) or injectable? Was the O2 low flow, rebreather mask (ineffective) or high flow (25lpm+) with a nonrebreather? It's just that too many tell us of their failed attempts only to discover the dose was not high enough to be effective in dealing with CHs. It would be unusual, for example, to find someone for whom the injectable form of a triptan didn't at least abort the current attack. Blessings. lance
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