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starting verapamil again need some input please
Jul 24th, 2011 at 8:08am
 
hey guy's quick qestion on verapamil start up. I just stared verapmil 120 mg reg release 3 nights ago and feel pretty lethargic in the morning. I took this med before and actually forgot what i felt like when starting it. Any input as to it taking time to adjust to the med? Maybe cut the 120 pill in half at the beginning? i will def talk to my specialist about it but I value your guy's input.
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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 9:54am
 
A widely used protocol. Your doc will recognize the source and author:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 10:17am
 
Thank you Bob always help me man! Smiley
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:36am
 
Bob is worth his weight in verapamil or imitrex for sure!
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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:57pm
 
Thank you thank you Bob!  I think I'll 'up' the Verapamil...  in your opinion how long do you think it should take to kick in, I was just reading on the prednisone taper..  yes, after tapering down, it seems i remember always getting hit hard... don't think I'll go that route.

Also, I may have missed it, but am I supposed to be taking a calcium citrate or some such with the fishoil & d3?
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Re: starting verapamil again need some input please
Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 7:30am
 
In this section, look at the posting topic "123 pain free days and I think I know why" It's a daily D-3, Calcium Citrate, zinc, magnesium and fish oil supplement that's proven to be beneficial for a lot of CH'ers.

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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 8:24am
 
Wendy1 wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:57pm:
Thank you thank you Bob!  I think I'll 'up' the Verapamil...  in your opinion how long do you think it should take to kick in, I was just reading on the prednisone taper..  yes, after tapering down, it seems i remember always getting hit hard... don't think I'll go that route.

Also, I may have missed it, but am I supposed to be taking a calcium citrate or some such with the fishoil & d3?

Hello Wendy
I am also taking verapamil and I started a pred taper last week  along with starting the verap. I am up to 240 a day of verap and I am doing the d3 and fish oil but my specialist said not to take "calcium" supplements along with verapamil cause it will interfere with the verapamil (calcium channel blocker) So I talked to Batch about this and I am doing the regime winus the calcium will keep u posted
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