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Nov 16th, 2010 at 10:11pm
 
Wow I can't believe I actually found a place to talk to other people who understand about the pain in my head!!  I could write a book but I won't.  On Nov 1 I started taking 100mg Verapamil ER 24hour and it's making me nuts!  Anybody else take Verapamil?  So far I see some hope with preventing headaches, but I'm not sure I can stand to keep feeling like this!  Any input would be appreciated!  Thanks and God bless!
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Reply #1 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 10:29pm
 
Welcome to the board! Are you working with a headache specialist neurologist? CH is a rare malady, your best chance at an effective treatment regimen is someone who knows the CH ropes!

100 mg a day of verapamil is low, CH'ers go as high as 960 mg a day to get relief. That being said, DON'T alter your dosing without working closely with your doc. Dangerously low blood pressure can be a side effect of too high a dose.

Do you have any abortives? Oxygen? Imitrex, either injectable or nasal spray? Have you tried energy drinks? Any containing caffeine and taurine, chugged at the first sign of an attack will abort or reduce an attack for many.

Give us a rundown of your diagnosis, treatments you've tried, what has and hasn't worked.

Glad you found us, hope we can help you out.

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Reply #2 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 10:47pm
 
Thanks for the reply!  I've had headaches since I was a kid and I'm almost 48 now.  Had my first true migraine complete with aura when I was in 7th grade.  Over the years my headaches have evolved and increased in frequency.  I have tried Midrin, Imitrex, a few antidepressants, Topamax, Inderol and now Verapamil.  I also take Maxalt as an abortive.  I have seen a neurologist once and it was a complete waste of time.  Now I"m back to trying to work with my primary doc who is very attentive and trying to help me.  No one has ever suggested cluster HA's until a few weeks back when my doc asked me if I had tearing or any nose stuffiness with the headaches and I said yes.  That's when she suggested a calcium channel blocker and I said sure why not?  Sometimes I wake in the night with the pain or wake in the morning with it.  I can have bouts that last 8 days.  The Maxalt takes the pain away for most of the day if taken in the A.M. but 9 times out of 10 the pain will return later in the day/early evening at which point then I'm screwed for the rest of the night.  Needless to say no sleep does not help.  I feel almost anxious on the Verapamil which isn't good because I do have an anxiety problem as well.  I'm wondering if taking regular Verap as opposed to ER would help me not feel so crappy all the time.  Sorry for the novel.
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Reply #3 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 11:15pm
 
Not at all, but I'm conerned about your diagnosis. CH has distinctive characteristics that differentiate it from classic migrains. Attacks typically last from 30 minutes to a couple of hours, with pain so intense you scream, yell, bang your head on the floor etc. An 8 day CH attack would probably be fatal! That being said, there are people who suffer from both migrains and CH, making the diagnosis and treatment even tougher!

Take the cluster quiz on your left and record your answers.  I'd also consider a diary, make it as detailed as possible. When the attacks start, how fast they build, how high they build, describe the type of pain, it's location, how long it stays at peak, how fast it dissipates. Any triggers you've established, any secondary symptoms you observe during an attack. The diagnosis will be in the details.

As bad an experience as your first trip to a neuro was, you still need to look into a headache specialist neuro. It's your best bet at an accurate diagnosis and an effective treatment regimen. If it is CH there are numerous treatments that are helping most of us live normal lives. But it requires careful analysis of each treatment for its effectiveness and side effects. A hit and miss attempt at finding a med which works is a recipe for a lot of pain I fear! Wink

Wish you a world of luck, headache pain, of any type, sucks!

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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 4:25am
 
Fully second Joe's responses. Curious what issues you're having with that dose of Verapamil? -Chris
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Reply #5 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 7:53am
 
First, Verap does not cause anxiety. As Joe suggested, an insufficient dose can increase your anxiety because you expect, but don't receive, relief from the present, too low, dose.
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Your appreciation and loyalty for your doc can get in the way of securing the treament you need. Too many docs do not get good training in headache and have such limited experience that they cannot effectively handle this very complex area of medicine.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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To get a better understanding of Cluster and its treatment, print out a full version of this article and the PDF file, below.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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You may find it useful to print out the PDF article to share with your doc. It may help grease the ways for a referral to a specialist without hurt feelings.

Also print out the following. This is a widely used protocol for the use of Verap. Copy for you doc, too.

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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.





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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 8:52am
 
Thank you so much for all the great info.  Makes me wonder now if my doc came up with the term "cluster" HA because of the pattern that I get them in.  You know, clusters of headaches, as many as 12 a month clustered together with a few days break in between.  Now I'm feeling pretty silly since it would appear that what I'm experiencing is not TRUE cluster HA's.  Oh well, guess I have to start somewhere.  I definitely will look into finding a doc that is considered a HA "specialist".   Thanks again.
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Reply #7 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 2:24pm
 
Don't be concerned if your headaches don't fit a diagnostic statement: variation is the norm for us and it's not uncommon for symptoms to change over time, especially when you're first developing them. Many of us have had "wandering" symptoms pictures for months or even years before a stable pattern emerged.
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