Black,

Petitions, requests, etc for research have been made.  The issue is though that psychoactive drugs have been ruled "medically useless" by the government without doing a full study of them.  Therefore, requests for further study are categorically denied because there is no documentation of any effective medical use.  What the folks at Clusterbusters are doing is providing their own research anecdotally (and they are doing a great job of it!) in order to establish a baseline that will validate further study.  That is how the Bromo-LSD trial came about.  The effectiveness of psychoactive agents is shown, but the cost of doing full scale trials so far has been out of our reach.  Pharmacological companies have shown no interest in a remedy they cannot patent.  I can understand why, although I would like to see them be a bit more altruistic.  The cost of doing full scale studies that will pass FDA muster AFTER they have gotten enough anecdotal evidence from those willing to go outside the law for relief is staggering.  Without a patent on the ensuing drug they will never recoup their investment.

I've seen with my own eyes the difference in the lives of good friends who have been able to take advantage of psychoactive agents.  I would be one of them if I were in a slightly different circumstance.  Frankly, I envy them.

Jerry

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The name that keeps popping up in one study after another is Dr. John Halpern.

Is your googler broken?

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it's like googling a watch while i am asking for current time.

note to myself>rephrase questions better.some people answer only literally.

so let me google


-which study after study after study

oh well i ll do it myself even if i am currently bored too only not in bad mood



nice watch!

Back in the 70's there was a big push to ban opiates, in particular heroin, and some in Congress used that as a smoke screen to try to distract the populace from what was going on in Viet Nam.  During the hearings in Congress a lot of non-factual information was put out there demonizing recreational drug use and abuse.  While there was a problem with abuse and misuse some of the grandstanding dragged in LSD, and along with it Psylocybin, which were being actually used for some medical/psychiatric purposes.  I'll not go in to whether they were really effective for all they were used for, and they WERE being abused by those in the drug culture, there were some promising studies being done. 

A couple of Senators are the ones who labeled them "of no medical use", not the medical community, and they were banned in the law that was passed banning opiates.  They are not opiate, but were banned as such.  It worked though.  The Senators got re-elected by harping against drug abuse rather than by dealing with real problems we were having.

Mind you, I am NOT in favor of drug abuse or misuse.  I will very rarely take any pain medication stronger than Ibuprofen even though prescribed because I have seen first hand the danger of dependence and/or addiction.  What I do have a problem with is grandstanding politicians messing with other peoples lives just to stay in power when they don't know what they are talking about.  I've never wished CH on anyone, but there are some of them that definitely deserve it.  ONE K10 and you would find some serious study being done RIGHT NOW!

There is some study being done, primarily in Europe because we cannot get the FDA to allow testing in the US, and it is because of the "anecdotal evidence" provided by a number of folks involved with Clusterbuster who have kept very detailed and accurate records of their trials.  It is they, not the pharmaceutical companies who have done the real leg work to try to get what appears to be our best hope legitimized. 

I cannot participate, as much as I believe in what they are doing, because of personal circumstances.  I have family involved in law enforcement and I will not compromise their integrity.  Therefore, I've been chronic for over 8 years after over 20 years episodic.  Most of that was without any medication after becoming dependent on prescribed narcotics (some would say addicted).  I took myself off, and the withdrawal was not something I ever want to do again.  While I've been chronic I've watched good friends who were also chronic go as much as 6 months PF on ONE dose of shrooms that wasn't enough to get as much of a buzz as one beer.  One of those friends had lost his last job in a series of decreasingly worthwhile jobs, had lost his wife and family, his home and almost everything he had.  He now has a very good job, his life back in the good, and is doing well just for dosing once every 6 months.

We would love to do a "standard accepted procedure of study" just as soon as you can convince our wise and all knowing corrupted government officials to allow it, and as soon as you can come up with the funding for said study.  In the mean time the folks at Clusterbusters are keeping our hopes alive.

If you choose not to participate that is entirely your perogative, but for you to sit there and demean what they are doing when you know nothing about it is wrong.  If you want serious discussion of the subject or if you have real questions you would like answered I will be happy to do all I can to help.  However, the tone I am getting from you is diametrically opposed to that.

Jerry

I wonder what an answer is to a not real question of a not serious discussion according to your opinion..

sorry but you just demean it yourself and i didn't do anything really to help along the way except saying openly my own thoughts and questions which i find sincere.

so i ll just shut it up here if thats the will according to the general mood of the last posts i read and wish truly the anecdotal evidence to lead to a legal med in the end we can buy worldwide from the pharms some day.
If it is meant to happen,it will happen anyway without me asking or not questions...and that's my tone.

Black, I'm not certain what you have against anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal is simply the collective experience of a group. When that experience is scrutinized under test conditions it becomes anecdotal plus test validated. That's why prescriptions carry the anecdotal experience of a test group as: some may experience headache, nause, nose bleeds, euphoria, sudden death...and then give the percentage of those who report such things. Nothing wrong with anecdotal. It's the beginning of research. lance

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No, there's really only one. Fear. Once I got past that, a pain-free world awaited.

All I'm saying is that people need to deeply examine the root of their fear. Then ask yourself "What's the worst that could happen?"

The worst almost always exists only in our minds.

I don't normally extol the virtues of this treatment because of one thing - fear. Fear of losing my livelihood. But that fear is also highly unfounded. Nobody could prove anything even if they tried. So as I get over my fear and become more public about it, my hope is that others will work past their fears as well.

Yay Brew and Potter

"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear."
--- H.P. Lovecraft

Hi guys and gals,

I said I wasn't going to post to this thread any longer since I believed that nothing good was coming out of it. I think that's changed. I applaud the last few contributors, especially you, Brew - you're my new hero!

Ron

Fear comes in many colors. Like I said, the whole subject still generates fears in me.

Fear is also one of the greatest motivators known to the animal world.

Thanks Bonkers.
I never care where the thunder comes from as long as everyone hears it.

I'll post more info in its own thread.

Thanks for the good discussion in this thread.

Bob