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Oct 7th, 2010 at 8:33pm
 
Greetings all. I ran across this site after some Googling, and after several months of suffering with this nightmare and not knowing what it was. So, I plan to lurk and do some reading, but figured it's only fair to introduce myself.

Reader's-Digest version, I started getting the occasional "migraine" (or so I thought) about six months ago. It always seemed to have a trigger, like spending 30 minutes in the hot tub. I chalked it up to random headaches.

Flash forward several months, and they came so frequently that I just accepted them. I think I was in denial, and I just sucked it up. Finally, on September 1st, I got hit so bad on a flight from Baltimore to Pittsburgh that I wanted to pull the emergency door and jump. That prompted my first call to a doctor. One misdiagnosis as sinusitis, a little Imitrex, a CT scan, an ENT specialist, and a nine-day course of Prednisone has led me here. I've had nine days of peace, but I know that it's coming back.

Here's the odd thing. . .I read about all the triggers and risk factors. I'm 38, in very good shape, just climbed Mt. Rainier, I'm a non-drinker, vegetarian. No personal or family history of anything like this. I guess that's what I find so frustrating.

I really have no idea when to expect my next bout with these things, but it keeps me awake at night thinking about it. So, I'll be checking in to share my experiences. . .my doc seems confident that he can help, so I'll gladly pass along anything that works!

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Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 8:44pm
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
The good news is the preds seem to have worked. I get hit once a year or so and the times the preds worked I would go a good year or so before having to kick the beast in the A$$ again. 9 days no pain is awsome,enjoy it.Dont let it change your sleep patterns,Melatonin 10mg before bed really worked great for me.  Does your doctor have any prevent ideas in mind??

Oh, WELCOME
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IT'S JUST A HEADACHE,TAKE TWO ASPRIN AND GO TO BED!!!
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:02am
 
Welcome to the board Lt. I've been dueling with the beast for 32 years and have found the best results from a 2 pronged approach. Many use variations of this to deal with their CH.

1: A good prevent. A med you take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of your attacks. I use Lithium at 1200 mg a day, blocks 60-70% of my attacks. Verapamil is a common first line prevent, but at doses higher then most docs are used to, some go as high as 960 mg a day. Topomax also has a loyal following, often referred to as "dopeymax" due to its potential side effect of making you loopy.

2: a good abortive routine. An attack starts, now what. As Potter mentioned, 02 should be your first line abort. Read the 02 link on the left as it must be used correctly or it won't work. I can abort an attack using 02 in 6-8 minutes. Beats the 90 minute rides I used to take.

Imitrex injectables are expensive but stop an attack even faster then 02 for me. I only use them when I get caught away from 02. Imitrex nasal sprays are cheaper then injectors and work for many. Pills don't work for most as they take too long to get into your system.

Energy drinks, chugged at the onset will abort or reduce attacks for many, look for those containing caffiene and taurine, the combo of those 2 is the trick.

Prednisone is a tricky one. For a small percentage, a short burst of pred will actually abort a cycle. For the rest of us, it's a temporary block, as soon as we stop the pred, the CH is back with a vengeance. For us, we use it as a transitional med, a 2 week taper of pred while we wait for our prevent to kick in.

Then check out   clusterbusters.com    alternative therapies.

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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 2:16am
 
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Topomax also has a loyal following, often referred to as "dopeymax" due to its potential side effect of making you loopy.


topomax didn't work for me.
i think it would be much better in this site for each one to stick with just saying his own personal experience instead of trying present a general picture
so a real view of a collective knowledge can be done to the viewer's mind instead of something else which might be far from truth.
i ve been reading here a lot and i didn't get the impression that topomax has a loyal folowing and moreover a succesful one.
let's try i instead of we.
just my opinion
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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 8:17am
 
The early stages of CH are confusing, frustrating, scary--but learning is your best defense, second only to having a good HEADACHE specialist in your camp.

Explore the buttons, left, starting with the OUCH site and its many internal links.

Then the PDF file, below.

Then,



Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Consider,
MANAGEMENT OF HEADACHE AND HEADACHE MEDICATIONS, 2nd ed. Lawrence D. Robbins, M.D.; pub. by Springer. $50 at Amazon.Com.  It covers all types of headache and is primarily focused on medications. While the two chapters on CH total 42-pages, the actual relevant material is longer because of multiple references to material in chapters on migraine, reflecting the overlap in drugs used to treat. I'd suggest reading the chapters on migraine for three reasons: he makes references to CH & medications which are not in the index; there are "clinical pearls" about how to approach the treatment of headache; and, you gain better perspective on the nature of headache, in general, and the complexities of treatment (which need to be considered when we create expectations about what is possible). Finally, women will appreciate & benefit from his running information on hormones/menstrual cycles as they affect headache. Chapter on headache following head trauma, also. Obviously, I'm impressed with Robbins' work (even if the book needs the touch of a good editor!) (Somewhat longer review/content statement at 3/22/00, "Good book....")


HEADACHE HELP, Revised edition, 2000; Lawrence Robbins, M.D., Houghton Mifflin, $15. Written for a nonprofessional audience, it contains almost all the material in the preceding volume but it's much easier reading. Highly recommended.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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As you read the messages, you will find your experience mirrored by many others but with sufficient variations that you will get the message--don't try and predict every step or be too surprised if you experience (most especially during the early months) is changing.

Don't fall into the trap of trying and changing treatments frequently. It takes time to try, adjust dosing, give you body time to respond, etc. before making any judgments about the success/failure of any treatment plan--why you need to work with a doc who knows their business!
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Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
Thanks for the welcome, folks. I definitely plan to take a systematic and aggressive approach to these things, so I really appreciate all the input and information.

I'm also encouraged to hear that the positive reaction to Prednisone is a good thing. When my doctor prescribed it, I had an attack on my way to the pharmacy to fill it. I had to pull off the road and deal with it for 30 minutes or so. I popped that first pred (it was 60mg-40mg-20mg over 9 days) and didn't have a single attack the entire time. Yesterday was my last day on the pred, and I'm sure I don't have to tell you that I'm just sitting around waiting for the next attack now.

My doctor says he likes to "play around" with the Prednisone on a limited basis, and also likes to use some calcium-channel blockers, etc. He seems to have my best interests in mind, but I'll continue to press him for specifics if and when these things return.

Oh, and the melatonin. . .I have taken it in the past just to help me sleep on occasion, but always in 3mg doses. I'm going to have to do some reading here to make sure a higher dose won't turn me into a zombie!

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Re: New (not that I'm thrilled about it. . .)
Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 9:16am
 
I did a survey a while back on how much melatonin people were taking to prevent night time attacks. 9-12 was kind of middle of the road, with some at lower levels, and only a few at higher. Some combined the slow release with the standard release tablets, to get them thru the night. AS with everything else, trial and error are the rule of thumb. Wink

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Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 9:34am
 
black wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 2:16am:
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Topomax also has a loyal following, often referred to as "dopeymax" due to its potential side effect of making you loopy.


topomax didn't work for me.
i think it would be much better in this site for each one to stick with just saying his own personal experience instead of trying present a general picture
so a real view of a collective knowledge can be done to the viewer's mind instead of something else which might be far from truth.
i ve been reading here a lot and i didn't get the impression that topomax has a loyal folowing and moreover a succesful one.
let's try i instead of we.
just my opinion


We'll have to agree to disagree on this one!  There are several members I know personally who succesfully use Topomax as a prevent. I believe newbies should be presented with high percentage treatments to discuss with their doctor. If I limit my postings to only what "I" have used it would leave off many high percentage treatments including the following:

Busting, Imitrex Nasal Spray, Topomax, Verapamil, and that's just a few!!!

Joe
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Reply #9 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 8:18am
 
Guiseppi wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 9:34am:
black wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 2:16am:
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Topomax also has a loyal following, often referred to as "dopeymax" due to its potential side effect of making you loopy.


topomax didn't work for me.
i think it would be much better in this site for each one to stick with just saying his own personal experience instead of trying present a general picture
so a real view of a collective knowledge can be done to the viewer's mind instead of something else which might be far from truth.
i ve been reading here a lot and i didn't get the impression that topomax has a loyal folowing and moreover a succesful one.
let's try i instead of we.
just my opinion


We'll have to agree to disagree on this one!  There are several members I know personally who succesfully use Topomax as a prevent. I believe newbies should be presented with high percentage treatments to discuss with their doctor. If I limit my postings to only what "I" have used it would leave off many high percentage treatments including the following:

Busting, Imitrex Nasal Spray, Topomax, Verapamil, and that's just a few!!!Joe


Part of the board's power is in its collective wisdom. Part of the board's effectiveness is the community of fellow sufferer's who have found a camaraderie in discovering solutions to a solution resistant power. "I" am extremely glad to be part of this board, and "we" do an incredible job assisting "others" who find CHs so vexing. "We" are doing a great job, and "I" thank you. Blessings. lance
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