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New here... clusters with exercise, anyone else?
Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:44am
 
Hi, I have been lurking for a while and never posted, so thought I would.  A little about my history.  I am 35 have had clusters (I think) since menstrual cycle started at 14.  Use to get an unbearable headache everyday after lunch at school and gone within an hour. Years later had them in college.  Then had them very badly after each of children were born (2 children).  I am an avid exerciser and always have been.  I trained and ran a marathon which brought on incredible clusters in my 20's.  I have cycles in the late summer early fall.  I have been cycle free for 4 years up until 2 weeks ago.  I thought I had killed the beast and he is back in full force!  I get these 10 minutes after exercise and if I drink any alcohol at all (even just 1 beer), and every once in a while without cause I will get one.  I mountain bike and love it and it really makes me angry when I have to decide between the two!  I am in great shape and read that so many of you are helped by exertion which really confuses me.  Anyway, just wanted to see if there were any others like me as far as exercise is concerned.  I deal with them with caffeine, excedrin migraine, and imitrex (very sparingly).  Had a monster of one last night for 2 hours after 1 hour of mountain biking.  Thanks to anyone with any advice!

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Re: New here... clusters with exercise, anyone else?
Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:05pm
 
Oxygen!   Exercise is like stress for many on the board, for some, stress will bring an attack on, for others, as soon as they relax they get hit. For some, exercise will actually help abort a hit, for others, like you, it's a trigger! The nature of the beast is his unpredictability....(which means we should call it a her instead of a he but that's a subject for later! Grin)

Back to oxygen. 32 year sufferer here, nothing compares to 02 for it's rapid aborts, cheap, and no side effects. It has almost completely eliminated my use of trex. Read the oxygen info link on the left as it must be used correctly or it does not work. Then ask questions!

You haven't mentioned any prevent meds. A med you take daily while in cycle to cut down on hits, I use lithium, blocks 60-70% of my hits, verapamil is the typical first round try, topomax also has a faithful following.

Welcome to the board, glad you found us. Don't give up on the single track!

Joe  (one of many avid mountain bikers on the board!)
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Re: New here... clusters with exercise, anyone else?
Reply #2 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:11pm
 
Lancet. 1999 Sep 18;354(9183):1001-2.
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Lancet. 2000 Jan 8;355(9198):147.

A new cluster headache precipitant: increased body heat.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

Exercise, a hot bath, or elevated environmental temperature provoked cluster headaches, within 1 h, in 75 out of 200 patients. This new observation accords with recognised precipitants--alcohol, histamine, and gyceryl trinitrate--perhaps via generalised vasodilatation or hypothalamic activation.

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PMID: 10501368 [PubMed]
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Re: New here... clusters with exercise, anyone else?
Reply #3 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:44pm
 
Guiseppi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Oxygen!   The nature of the beast is his unpredictability....(which means we should call it a her instead of a he but that's a subject for later! Grin)



oooooooooh, Joe's gonna be in troooooooooouble!!!
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Reply #4 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:43pm
 
Thank you for the responses.  I have been looking into using O2.  As I do think there is a connection in my case.  I do tend to get them as I start to cool down from exercise.  If I exercise over 1 hour I get them during the exercise which make me bail completely and head home.  Anyway, I was prescribed Verapamil 4 years ago as a preventative and never started it as I have been pain free for 4 years (my longest span ever).  Thinking of maybe trying the Verapamil as I cannot give up my bike.  Anyway thanks for all the positive feedback, hoping this will be short lived!
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Reply #5 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 8:47pm
 
I have been reading alot of success stories regarding Verpamil...wish I could jump on the band wagon. Soon as I start taking over 120mg of that stuff I get extremely constipatiated....to the point of it being a medical condition. Nothing seems to relieve that side effect for me. In response to your post, for me extreme intense exercise immediately upon the onset of a cluster headache generally aborts or reduces severity/duration for me. I have never had a cluster triggered from exercise. But as joe but it..they are unpredictable. We all share basic similiar symptoms..but beyond that its a crap shoot. Hope oxygen works for you... I also did not have much success using that as a abortive. After reading the forums, I might have to give it another try. Best of luck to you.
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Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 9:25pm
 
Just wanted to update everyone on what happened tonite.  I did not work out as still tired from last nights 2 hour episode of CH.  At 8:30 pm one came out of the blue with not much warning with no exertion at all (was watching tv relaxing).  My husband is a do it yourselfer and has all kinds of tools etc. in the garage.  I had talked to him about the o2 success others had had and the minute I started with it he went to the garage and came back with an o2 tank with a tube connected.  I  breathed in the tube while clamping my nose and felt immediate relief.  Did this for about 5-7 minutes took a 3 min break and repeated.  After 2nd session headache was tolerable.  After about 30 min headache was gone!  Shortest lived one ever  but also my first for no reason (exercise or alcohol).  So far I am psyched on the outcome of the o2!  Thanks for the advice!
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Re: New here... clusters with exercise, anyone else?
Reply #7 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
AWESOME NEWS...KEEP THE HUBBY!!!

That's great news.....now that you've started 02 I'll further burden your brain with details. Some have problems with re attacks within 20 minutes of shutting off the 02. Some can avert this by staying on the 02 another 5-10 minutes after you abort, it didn't work for me! I find drinking a red bull while I use the 02 prevents the come backer. Additionally it seems to speed the abort time of the 02.

Many also find the higher the flow rate, the more you can hyper-ventilate, the faster it will abort.

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Reply #8 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 7:42pm
 
Joe- thanks for the pointers on the O2.  It is amazing how fast I found relief after just a couple deep breaths of the O2.  My hubby said I looked like I had just inhaled some good drugs, hard to believe you can become eurphoric off O2, guess it's the relief that the beast is getting a beating! 

I wish I could find something to take just prior to mountain biking that would hold the cluster off at least until I got home from the trail.  I have not rode much at all this week beacause for some reason the exercise is what gives me a doozy of a cluster.  I seriously can hardly make it home from the trail and it is only 2.5 miles away from my home.  I thought maybe an energy drink, may try that next time.  I have premedicated myself with 2 excedrin migraine and also one time with straight aspirin hoping that would keep my vessels constricted but still got the cluster about 5-10 min post exertion.  I am just determined not to let the beast take my singletrack away from me!!! Thanks again, loving this community and everything I have learned so far!
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Reply #9 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:17pm
 
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which means we should call it a her instead of a he but that's a subject for later! )


Watch it Sarge!   Angry 

I am so glad the 02 worked like that for you.  Chalk up another believer.
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Reply #10 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 9:19pm
 
Hi Candy and welcome. Verapamil is what I take as a prevent (480mg daily is my magic number) and o2 at 25 lpm with a o2ptimask  as my abort! Great combo for me, so far! Smiley
By the way, my wife and best supporter ever Angie and I mountain bike also! Cool
So proud of your hubby setting up a quick o2 set-up!! Cool
Verapamil will constipate you for sure, I use Fiber1 cereal daily, works for me.
Nice to meet you.
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Reply #11 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 10:04am
 
I see you use Verapamil and have O2, but didn't see you mention a confirmed diagnosis for CH by a doctor.  If you haven't been formally diagnosed, please do so to rule out anything more sinister than CH.  Glad the O2 has helped thus far.
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Reply #12 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 11:25am
 
Ask your phamacist if this is available: Ergotamine, 2mgSL.

This old timer will often prevent attack if used before exercise begins; also used to prevent niight time attacks.
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Reply #13 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Thanks for the responses and advise pre exercise, I will check into that.  I was diagnosed 4 years ago with clusters by a neurologist and had an MRI of my head to rule anything else.  Actually I did not know until 4 years ago what was wrong with me, thought it was migraines and thought I was crazy!  Thanks again.
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Reply #14 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 11:36pm
 
I am also new to this board and love it.  I am female, 41, and started having CH about the same time you did, early teens.  I just about fainted when I read your first post just now as I too would have them just after lunch when I was in high school and remember one time the school secretary was taking me home bc I was in such pain (small town, small school!) and I threw up in the parking lot on the way to her car!  Poor lady was probably very worried about her car...! 

After several trips to the ER, family doc, dentist, eye doc, and chiropractor, I finally ended up at a neurologist who diagnosed CH and put me on fiorinal for pain and prednisone which successfully halted the cycle.  The CH have returned every 6 months to 2 years throughout my life, fiorinal lost it's effectiveness for me (when I was young it just made me sleep), prednisone also eventually lost effectiveness.  I have been put on antihistamines, ergot-amines, and I can't remember what all else. 

Exercise and excessive heat are my WORST triggers!  Anything that dilates that blood vessel in my head will send me into orbit!  Diesel exhaust fumes will also trigger me.  Bright sunlight is just painful too me during a cycle - does not trigger a full blown attack but a low grade throbbing pain.

I've had two children and was headache free during both pregnancies and while breastfeeding which makes me think there's a definite hormonal component.  I've been on a cluster for almost three months now which is the worst I've had in probably 8 years. I'm on 240 mg verapamil as a preventative and using treximet for pain.  The fact that I'm going on three months says that the verapamil is not as effective as it used to be, I'm also getting breakthrough headaches at night, 11 pm to 1 am.

I started melatonin 6 days ago, 3 mg 30 min before bed and it's helped greatly with the nighttime attacks, but I did have some breakthrough last night so plan to go up to 6 mg tonight. 

After reading about the possible link with low testosterone in the treatments section of this board, I'm in the process of having my OBGYN order hormone tests, or he may be sending me to a headache specialist in St. Louis.  I've been so frustrated because my local neurologist who would listen to my suggestions and research and would work with me moved to Utah, so I've been trying to get help from my family doc and it's not going very well!!  I'm so tired of breaking in doctors.

This site has been SO helpful and has given me hope!  Sorry for the long post, it's just so comforting to talk to people who understand.
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Reply #15 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 11:27am
 
dkfreese,

I hate you have been given this terrible condition but it is nice to see others that deal with the same issues.  Most people find relief with exercise but it totally takes me out!  I love to exercise which makes it very hard to deal with.  I do think there is some sort of hormonal issue with me as well, so many variables with CH.  I never had them while pregnant but had 2 of the worse cycles of my life while breastfeeding right after the birth of my 2 children.  I have stopped taking all hormonal birth controls to try to limit anything that could add to the problem. 

I recently tried something non conventional hoping to knock this cycle out and have been totally headache free for 6 days now so I am hoping for a positive outcome.  I have not exercised yet either however which will be the big test!  I plan to exercise wed and see how it goes. 

Best of luck with the new Dr., I know what a challenge that can be to get one that understands this craziness.  I also work in healthcare and know how things can be perceived to non sufferers.  Best of wishes!
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