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Oxygenated Water?
Sep 14^th, 2010 at 4:37pm

I got to thinking that water seems to help and so does oxygen so maybe there is some sort of high oxygen water you could buy. A quick search and I found out there is, here is one site:
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Has anyone ever tried this or know anything about it?
It's fairly cheap and I figure worth the risk, I mean it's not like it's dangerous.

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Marc CH.com Old Timer Offline Posts: 429 TX Gender:	Re: Oxygenated Water? Reply #1 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 4:44pm The idea is to temporarily over saturate your blood with oxygen. This won't even begin to come close to starting to begin the process. There are soooooo many ways to spend money. Some make sense, some don't. Marc
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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Oxygenated Water? Reply #2 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 5:29pm I'm with Marc on this one, where a LOT of 02 does a lot of good, a lesser amount of 02 does absolutely no good, and the miniscule amount in oxygenated water would have no effect on CH. Joe
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Oxygenated Water? Reply #3 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 5:35pm Your blood exchanges spent gas (CO2) for unspent gas (O2) in the alveoli in the lungs, not in the stomach or intestine.
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George CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Black-Billed Magpie Posts: 8126 Boise, Idaho USA Gender:	Re: Oxygenated Water? Reply #4 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 7:11pm You can oxygenate your own water by shaking it up real hard. Still won't help, unfortunately. Best, George
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coach_bill CH.com Hall of Famer Offline "Dont expect me to lay down for this" Posts: 680 x0\|euclid\|USA\|\|0\|0\|OH,Ohio Gender:	Re: Oxygenated Water? Reply #5 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:48pm Guys, Are we 100% sure on this? Whats the reason for the water trick then? Also if your blood contains the proper amount of 02 couldn't stop the mechanism itself? Let me know... Coach Bill
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Re: Oxygenated Water?
Reply #6 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:14pm

Coach, look at their web site! It's hard to find a bigger hype. "Why add oxygen to water? Because it's a great idea!" is about all the information they can provide.

Here a few facts:
At atmospheric pressure and 25 °C (77 °F) water can dissolve 8.9 mg of oxygen (O₂). That converts to 0.00623 liter gaseous O₂, or the amount in present in 0.029 liter of air. At a breathing rate of 15 liter/minute your oxygen turnover corresponds to the amount in 500 liter (half a ton) of oxygenated water.

Since the so little oxygen can be transported dissolved in water (or blood) hemoglobin was invented (in Vegas ? Wink

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BTW, a trout can not survive in water of 25 °C (oxygenated or not). It needs a colder temperature where more oxygen can be dissolved.

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Re: Oxygenated Water?
Reply #7 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:22pm

coach_bill wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:48pm:

Guys,

Are we 100% sure on this? Whats the reason for the water trick then? Also if your blood contains the proper amount of 02 couldn't stop the mechanism itself? Let me know... Coach Bill Angry

Yes, the water-water-water approach can help reduce the pain in many people. I think that is more closely related to ion balance ... a fair amount of research points to clusterheads having difficulties in dealing with various ions (calcium moving in and out of cells, chloride building up, etc) - and this may cause a low grade of dehydration which responds to drinking lots of water.

Although I am a big proponent of keeping our minds open to new approaches, I am not at all convinced that 'oxygenated water' helps with anything. As ASG points out, even when saturated, water cannot hold much O2 gas - an extra breath or two will supply the body with more oxygen than a case of oxygenated water. I think regular water and pure oxygen (high rate of flow, non-rebreather mask) are two logical approaches. Some people benefit from vigorous aerobic activity when they feel a hit coming on.

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Re: Oxygenated Water?
Reply #8 - Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:34am

monty wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:22pm:

Yes, the water-water-water approach can help reduce the pain in many people. I think that is more closely related to ion balance ... a fair amount of research points to clusterheads having difficulties in dealing with various ions (calcium moving in and out of cells, chloride building up, etc) - and this may cause a low grade of dehydration which responds to drinking lots of water.

Although I am a big proponent of keeping our minds open to new approaches, I am not at all convinced that 'oxygenated water' helps with anything. As ASG points out, even when saturated, water cannot hold much O2 gas - an extra breath or two will supply the body with more oxygen than a case of oxygenated water. I think regular water and pure oxygen (high rate of flow, non-rebreather mask) are two logical approaches. Some people benefit from vigorous aerobic activity when they feel a hit coming on.

I agree. And for what it's worth I think ion balance affecting neurotransmitters is also the real reason Batch's pH remedy helps some people because pH can't really be changed much without causing cell death. If you don't have the proper calcium balance, however, neurotransmitters (serotonin, histamine) can't regulate properly. It's been a while since I took physiology but in simple terms this means a storm gets started it's difficult to stop if the ion balance is incorrect. This would also potentially be an explanation for why the pH remedy seems to help some people but not others- if your ion balance is fine then the storm isn't responding to some other unidentified factor. And now I'm getting into pure speculation here but I'd guess that unidentified factor is likely genetic.

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Re: Oxygenated Water?
Reply #9 - Sep 15^th, 2010 at 11:19pm

Katherinecm wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:34am:

I agree. And for what it's worth I think ion balance affecting neurotransmitters is also the real reason Batch's pH remedy helps some people because pH can't really be changed much without causing cell death.

Well, yes and no. The pH of blood doesn't change much at all, but to keep the blood pH within those narrow limits, the body will do whatever it takes, including changing the pH (and ion levels) of just about everything else ... pulling calcium out of the bones and cell interiors, changing parathyroid hormone, increasing blood pressure, etc.. Most 'alkalinizing' regimes do raise the pH of saliva, urine, and other non-blood fluids, and this is accompanied by changes in the way that magnesium, potassium and calcium circulate in the body.

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