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Sep 4th, 2010 at 9:59pm
 
What is wrong with me? I have been told by several Doctors that I have really bad migraines. I have had them all my life but they have changed over the years. Now I can feel them coming on. I see halos or auras around lights before them come or sounds begin to bother me.  When it hits I can’t lay down and sleep it off like the doctors say because it hurts too much. I NEED TO WANDER! (I know that sounds crazy) I will wander around Walmart or anywhere I am for several hours.  If in the car, I will bang my knee or leg against the car door while going down the road to the doctor or hospital. I also rock, back and forth, moaning and muttering to myself like a crazy person. The pain starts all over my head at first, then suddenly moves to the right side. The right side of my nose the stops up, my right eye waters and sometimes my face on that side goes numb. I swear my right eye is being pushed out of my head. (my husband says it’s not bulging)  I try not to cry hard because I know my head will explode and stuff go everywhere.  If I don’t take  zofran (sp?) for vomiting I will throw up for hours, every 10-15 minutes (record for throwing up:  12 hours non-stop).  During and “event” I will suddenly feel fine only to violently return to the agony minutes later. This “on and off” continues for hours. I have tracked certain triggers over the years. But even then I will get them out of nowhere. I have taken all kinds of drugs and only a heavy mixture of codeine, butalbital, caffeine and Tylenol helps if taken soon enough. After an event I have a “hangover” that leaves me exhausted for about 24 hours. I get them at all time and even in the middle of the night I have awoken in full fury, crying to my husband begging for help. I know this sounds  like I’m over reacting or have serious mental problems, but I have successfully  raised a family and I own my own business.  I also get “Ice Cream Headaches” or “Brain Freeze” without  eating anything at all. I call them Stroke Headaches. That pain is off the scale.   It feels like I have a migraine in the waiting all the time. It’s always there in the back ground. Sorry this is so long but I don’t know what to do or what’s wrong with me.
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:41pm
 
WOW!!! My diagnosis??? You desperately need a Neurologist who specializes in headache disorders. You're describing what sounds like a multi headache type problem. Some of what you describe is migrain in nature, some sounds like SUNCT and some sounds like CH.

With the issues you're describing, you need to start back at ground zero. Get a full work up by a competent headache specialist neurologist, attempt to identify the mechanisms behind the pain, and start an appropriate treatment program.

As part of that treatment program, you must try and wean off the drugs. They do very little to alleviate the pain, and result in rebound headaches which are often times worse then the original problem.

For now, if you find the caffeine helps, try chugging an energy drink at the onset of an attack. One containing both caffeine and taurine, rock star, monster etc, many can find relief from attacks that way.

Let us know the part of the world you're in, maybe someone can point you to a good doctor. Wishing you a speedy diagnosis and effective treatment, headaches suck.

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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 11:25pm
 


WOW!!!!!!!!!![  Wandering around Walmart or anywhere else in public is a no-no for the majority of us.  We cannot stand to be in public.  In fact getting hit in public is one of our worse fears.

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my face on that side goes numb.


That is not what usually happens when one has CH

I wish you had made more paragraphs as it was very hard to read what you were saying....we will try to help you all we can here.   It sounds like you are scared and have a whole lot of other things going on at the same time..(Ice cream HA;s)   etc.

Lets take one thing at a time and let us know what we can help you with first.   O.K.?




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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:30am
 
Guiseppi wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:41pm:
WOW!!! My diagnosis??? You desperately need a Neurologist who specializes in headache disorders. You're describing what sounds like a multi headache type problem. Some of what you describe is migrain in nature, some sounds like SUNCT and some sounds like CH.


God Bless, Alison!

Please, let me also strongly encourage you to see a headache specialist - not just a neurologist, but an headache specialist.  This would be a neurologist (almost always) who has taken specialized training and education in diagnosing and treating headaches. 

Headaches can be extremely complicated and difficult to treat, but they can be treated.  You are having issues that are significantly interfering with your quality of life and you deserve some relief!!!

Please keep us up on how you're doing...
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Reply #4 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:21am
 
Alison - that sounds like a pretty complex mix of symptoms that will need a good neurologist to sort out. What will help with this is if you keep a diary of when you get headaches, the symptoms, how long they last, how painful, etc. It may also help you spot patterns and maybe something that trigger them, which could be food, medication, time of the day, seasons, etc.

The more information you can give your doctor, the easier it is for them to help you.
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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:33am
 
LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.





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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:11am
 
Dittos, dittos and dittos. Or is that dittoes? Anyway, the thing that caught my attention was the wandering. I absolutely agree with Linda...getting caught out in public is one of my worst fears. But...one of the characteristics of clusters, as opposed to other headache types, is that urge or compulsion to move! Migrainers tend to seek out dark and quiet places. CHs tend to act like we have St Vitus Dance or something. Do see a doctor, but it won't hurt to try the most effective abortives you'll see here. lance
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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:49pm
 
SUNCT! I looked that up on a search and was surprised to read that my Brain Freezes were known to others and had a name! Also the tingling in my face was part of it! (I didn't connect the two.) They are related to Cluster headaches as well. Thank you all for being so kind and answering my post. You have no idea how alone I have been in this. Thank God someone else understands the wandering. How crazy is it to be that sick and not be able to lay down. I have had doctors and nurses gently push me down on the exam table and tell me to lay still and I'll feel better.  I just pop back up like a jack-in-the-box saying "No! I need to at least sit up! And may I please walk your halls while I wait for results?" Needless to say they pump me full of opiates and send me home to sleep it off. Often when I woke 12 hours later the headache was still there! I am now very sensitive to morphine and Demerol and can no longer take them.....No more doctors!!!! Imitrex doesn't work, nor beta blockers and a host of other meds my doctor tried. I will try the oxygen. We have a tank in the basement for welding.  I already drink about 1 gallon of water a day. I have had to cut out caffeine because it was making me irritable and lost it's effectiveness. (Weaning off was interesting for about two weeks.)
I have tracked triggers over the years. A combination of stress, skipped meal and lack of sleep will always start one. But happy, well rested and fed I can get them too. Is it possible to get a cluster headache and a migraine at the same time?? If I may ask you all one more question unrelated to what I already have posted: I also get, occasionally, a burning/raw feeling in my nose. It will start on one side them move around to the other side and into my sinus. Every breath is a raw painful experience. And my face hurts. If not treated with OTC pain meds it will trigger a very bad migraine. Sometimes the OTC med works, sometimes is doesn't. Is it a part of the SUNCT? Thank you again for your kindness, it means more then you will ever know.
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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:51am
 
As others have said, it sounds like you need to get yourself to a good neurologist! Bob_Johnson posted some great resources for you.

You asked about OTC medications working for SUNCT. I don't have SUNCT so I can't say for sure, but I do know SUNCT headaches are difficult to treat. From my understanding, SUNCT is usually unilateral and does not switch sides, hence to "U" in its acronym. SUNCT does have the autonomic issues such as tearing and nose stuffiness that is also present in cluster headache.

Some things to think about: Others have mentioned that you may have symptoms matching SUNCT (tearing, nose stuffiness, shot to long lasting headaches). Another one that has not been mentioned is an atypical trigeminal neuralgia (issues of the nerves of the face, possibly bilateral rather than unilateral,and  migraines).

Obviously, you have a very complex case, or a case with more than one headache disorder going on. Nobody here can diagnose you, but only provide suggestions. My best advice is to arm yourself with knowledge, keep a detailed log of your headaches, and visit the best neurologist you can find. Some of us have gone through many neurologists before finding one who can effectively treat us or tell us what kind of headaches we're suffering from. You are your best advocate!
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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 8:05am
 
And copy out info from posts to bring with you! It is possible to educate a willing physician...at least enough to get you the best help you can. lance
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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 9:49am
 
Guiseppi wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:41pm:
Some of what you describe is migrain in nature, some sounds like SUNCT and some sounds like CH.


You would be amazed at how many people with CH have symptoms similar to all 3 conditions.  I think it is part of the reason some folks take a long time to get diagnosed.  What people describe as very heavy shadows, could very well be a migraine.  The short jolts that go away, could be sunct or cph.  I know I have symtoms of all three, so does the person that I live with.  Wink  And there are plenty of people I've talked to who are the same.  Now, I'm not saying the OP falls into this category, but I think it may be more common place than what you may believe.
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Reply #11 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 9:02pm
 
wow.   I recently suffered from stabbing pain in my head,    I knew it was not Ch.  After 3 or 4 days, I went to the doc.    she said she thought it was  Arterial Arteritis.  Not sure of the spelling.   
  I figured with all the trama my poor veins have been through..could be.~!  that stuff is bad.
   Then the next day, a rash broke out.   The dreaded Shingles!    I got blisters all over the left side of my scalp, and ear, and neck.
   Of course I read up on every thing I could find.  And what I learned was that there are sooo many nerve disorders that can happen to bodies.
   Gosh. Its  no wonder there are so many mis-diagnosis. 
        everyone is right ...a good neurologist is in order. and much diligence also.
    Keep  searching, even if you have to visit several doctors to get some help.    They all can't know everything.
   Hope you find some help real soon.    
   Keep on searching, and best of luck to ya.
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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:54am
 
This was a comment from the Clusterbuster's website about their recent convention in Portland:

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One of the high spots for me was Dr. Dale Carter from Portland, she related to the audience so well and was so very knowledgeable of CH.   Her ideas around conditions mimicking CH was relevant and something to keep in mind.
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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 7:40pm
 
Unfortunatly due to higher taxes I had to change my health insurance to a very high dedutable so I can't afford to see any doctors now. The feed back I have gotten from you all has really helped though. At least I know that there are others out there who also are dealing with similar problems. I thought I was the only one...really I did. You have given me some ideas on dealing with this. Maybe it's inflamed nerves. At least it's not fatal! Been in a good deal of pain for the past 24hrs  Cry  and I'm not looking forward to getting up at 3am to go to work tomorrow morning. It's not the getting up, it's the trying to go to sleep in a 2 hours.  Wish I could just take my head off and set it aside on the nightstand so I could sleep. Maybe a hot shower will help.
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 8:08am
 
Alison wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 7:40pm:
Unfortunatly due to higher taxes I had to change my health insurance to a very high dedutable so I can't afford to see any doctors now.


I guess my question is, how long can you afford to not seek medical intervention since your case is so complex? If you have interventions that are working and allow you to work, great! If you don't....? Try everything first, but if it doesn't work, just let the bills pile up, get them lumped together, and give $20 bucks a month forever. I've been there; I am there. So I knew how difficult it can be. Keep us informed, OK? Blessings. lance
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