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Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:10am
 
Hi Everyone,

So happy to have found this forum as was starting to feel so alone with this condition.

Only in my first cluster of attacks and was diagnosed within 2 months which seems like lightning speed compared to some of u here.Having 2 attacks a day at the moment and really starting to feel as though I can't cope anymore(feeling like a wimp when some of u lot have had to put up with this for years). I'm either too tired from the attack, in pain with the attacks or felling ill of the meds the GP has put me on.Being really difficult as I have a 2yr and 4yr old to look after everyday.

When I first got the pain I thought I was dying I didn't think someone could suffer like that without there being something wrong. Went to docters a couple of times and was given all sorts of pain killers which didn't help. After numerous trips to the GP was then told it was Cluster Headaches. My attacks last at least 3 1/2 to 4 hours a time but I am finding it really difficult to find a abortive. My GP is so useless he don't understand the condition I think but is not wanting to send me to see a specialist until he has put me on every migraine medication known to man. Have found something that helps online for the time being which may seem stupid but works for me. As soon as I wake up with an attack I take the pain relief I've been prescribed and wash it down with a full can of red bull. Doesn't stop it in its tracks but slowly makes the pain wear off so instead of 4 hours of pain I'm only having about 45mins Grin.

Anyway going to read through everything I can find in here and hopefully get some piece of mind knowing everyone else experiences....
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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:26am
 
Ouch....well you've accidentally discovered a pretty effective abortive for many...the energy drinks...it seems to be the combination of caffeine and taurine that shuts the beast down!

Read the oxygen info link on the left, print out the supporting data, and demand your doc prescribe it. I can abort an attack in 6-10 minutes, beats the 90 minute rides I used to take.

If he refuses, go to another doctor immediately. CH requires you become a zealous advocate for your treatment. Otherwise you'll spend years in pain taking Midrin, being told to lose weight and stop smoking and avoid stress and don't think about it and just lay down and a million other stupid, useless migrain treaments!!!

32 years of CH and I have found the best results with a 2 pronged approach:

1: A good prevent. A med taken daily to reduce the frequency and the intensity of my attacks. I use lithium at 1200 mg a day, will block 60-70% of my hits. Verapamil is the typical first round prevent, at doses much higher then GP's are used to. That's why a headache specialist neuro is so important. Topomax also works for many.

2: Abortives. The attack starts, now what. Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Proven so effective for so many, it's mal practice in my humble opinion, for a doctor NOT to prescribe it to a CH patient. Wink Imitrex injectables are effective but I hate how they make me feel and they are expensive. Imitrex nasal spray works for many, I have not tried them

The energy drinks are great, I use them in concert with my 02 for a 1-2 punch.

Time to get very aggressive with your treatment. Sitting on a stool and saying "doctor fix me" is a recipe for many years in pain. Educate yourself, then challenge your doctor with your findings. Ask him to explain whay he WON'T give you oxygen, and will instead allow you to suffer hours in pain. We'll help you any way we can, welcome home.

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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:56am
 
Gina................listen to Uncle Joe.
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:41pm
 
Gina listen to these people,iam new here and they have changed my life in a month.I use Melatonin at night,Imitrex spray when I get a hit.

DONT LET THE DEMON RULE YOUR LIFE.
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:50pm
 
Gina only 2 attacks a day! i'm sorry to say this but i WISH i was you!!!!! Just be happy that your not getting 6-8!!! you get absolutely exhausted, plus you dont get sleep and you almost start to go insane? When i was getting 6-8 attacks i would just taxi to the ER make them give me DHE on IV and pain killers fall asleep and start all over again the next day!

Actually they were very efficent! the doctor wrote on my file what to do for the next several days so i didnt even need to come into the ER anymore they would drag an IV out to the waiting room, stick an IV in me with saline/DHE and some pain killers with some oxygen 35 minutes later they would ask "are you ready to go home now?", i would say see you either tonight or tmw!!! they started laughing.

As for an abortive what are you using? I use zomig nasal injections i found imitrex doesnt last aslong and cased me to actually use more. Also oxygen worked great! but it all depends when you get caught in the act...at work zomig is my only choice as i cant haul around an o2 tank with me!

Hope you find out what works for you and just to let you know i'm also new to clusters im 5 weeks into this and learning almost about  5 pages of new information a day! i print it out keep it in a binder and i plan teaching my neurologist everything i learned. It will help me in the long run and any people with cluster headaches who visit her in the future... i'm sure they would be extremely greatful for us if they knew what we did!

Good luck to you!
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 1:25pm
 
Thankyou for all the advice,

As for treament at the moment I'm on co-codamol 30/500,Diclofenac 50mg, propranolol and Pizotifen. None of the above really work other than I think the pain killers do help when taken with the red bull. All these medicines make me feel so ill I'v argued with 4 different docters for some oxygen or even a referal to see a neurologist both have been refused as they say they need to try all the different drugs for a few months yet because that is all the nerologist will do. Asked so many times for O2 because don't want to be taking so many medicines feeling ill all the time with them but I'm always told they can't give it to me coz its a last resort when everyting else has been tried. As for the Triptans can't take them because of family history of heart problems. When I go to the GP's I do try to tell them everything I'v learned about the condition but I think its just falling on deaf ears. I also can't really change my GP as its the only practice in the arrear
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 1:55pm
 
Gina, your 24 ! i'm only 25 so we are in the same boat! do yourself a favor. Look up welding supplies rental on google for your area. Give them a call and ask them if they rent out pure oxygen cylinders. I believe they are around 10 dollars a month and you might need some one to help you with moving it to your house as its VERY heavy.....grab a mask from the ch store and regulator from ebay. The welding supplies store here actually will rent you a regulator for 5 dollars a month or buy it out right for 100 buck and it goes all the way to 30 LPM
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 7:21pm
 
Gina,
Where are you located?
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 8:42pm
 
You may have to look into using welding oxygen then. It takes a little more work as it's not conveniently delivered in a box with all necassary equipment like the medical 02 is, but works just as well. Then you can tell the doctor, "I'm currently using welding 02 and it works like a charm. You can prescribe me medical 02 or I can keep using the welding...your call!"

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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 8:45pm
 
Gina,

Do you need a referral for a neurologist? Can you make an appointment directly yourself?
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 10:23pm
 
Gina I bet you can turn this thing around.

People ain't kiddin' around when they say listen to the voice of experience, listen to Uncle Joe. Including the bit about welding O2 ASAP.

Your doctors have been backward, ignorant idiots about O2, and it looks like I don't have to convince you of that at all!  Angry I bet they don't even know about the benefits of hi flow/non rebreather O2. Leave it to  %^&*$ MDs to consider the only non toxic treatment they could prescribe to be the "last resort".
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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 1:34am
 
Gina, Joe said it best when he instructed you to print the info out.  I've been doing it with my GP and have him pretty well versed in CH and he has never failed me.  I would say if your doc continues to be stubborn after giving him all the supporting info you will find on the O2 page and refuses, find another doctor and bring that info to him.  Take this into your own hands and get some welders O2 if you have to for now as Joe mentioned.  O2 is a game changer.  Find a doctor that will give it to you NOW and you'll save yourself some suffering.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 4:12am
 
Thankyou for all the info

Delta darlin I'm in the uk.

As for the welders oxygen I'm gonna try to get hold of that maybe if the docter realises that it works for me he might give it a try.

And as far as I know I do need a referal to see a neurologist will double check to see of there is any way to bypass the GP

Again thankyou for all the help Smiley
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 4:50am
 
Hi Gina

If your GP won't give you a referral for a neurologist you could try the London Headache clinic . search on line for it , although they do ask for a £100 donation for a first appointment but you do not need a referral.

Please be careful with the codeine based pain killers as they are addictive.

If you do get a referral for a neurologist be prepared for a up to 6 month wait and if you do get an appointment / cancellation with the NHS choose and book system please make shore it's for a neurologist and not just the neurology teem for your health care area cos you can end up in all sorts of places , I ended up in a ME clinic  Undecided and had to wait months for another appointment .

Any how good luck and God bless

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Reply #14 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:34am
 
Hi Gina, Sounds like you are definitely one of us now. You ar e lucky to get on here so quickly after starting to have CH's. I just joined the site myself but I wish I had been on here reading these posts and interacting with these fine people all along. I remember the good old days of only one to two attacks a day during the cycle which might last as little as a month. Mine are luckily in remission right now but I am not taking chances because last year at this time I was having a doozy of a cycle. Lately I have been stockpiling oxygen, imitrex, ice, and other stuff. Im gearing up for a visit from the beast. He usually stays for three months at a time now. Ill see him once a day to start out with then by the end I am having 3 conversations with him a day and sometimes 2 a night. All I can say to you is Gina please listen to what these people say and do what they do. They are right on the money when it comes to battling these things. Personally I take a 360 mg verapamil every morning as a prevent. When I start to feel an attack coming on i go right for my oxygen tank. I have a small ice pack that looks like a basketball but it is flat on the bottom and slightly rounded on the top. It is about 5 inches round and fits nicely in the hand. The slight roundness of the top fits nicely against the temple and eye socket. I know this sounds funny but it is quite a comfort to have that ice at the first onset of the attack. I also have an opiate nasal spray that  I take with me if i cant be around my oxygen tank. At best this only makes the attacks bearable, and possibly will let me act fairly normal during a CH in public, but not really. Gina this is a very rare and mysterious disease or affliction rather. Together we will find a cure for it. Until then we will battle it anyway we know how. Please do what Joe recommends. He knows his stuff. Let me know if I can help you in any way, and get ready for a battle. Sincerely Daniel Walker
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