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Aug 14th, 2010 at 12:45pm
 
  For some reason I never thought to check for a forum as a way to connect with people that are experiencing CH's as well.  Glad I found you guys!
  Anyways, my name is Ryan and I am from Bangor, Maine. I am 28 years old and have been married for over year to my wonderful wife Stephanie. Currently a super-senior at the University of Maine at Orono  (math and bio major) attempting to enroll in dental school for the fall of '11.
   I first suffered a cluster headache at the age of 24. It would come without warning and vanish anywhere from 30 mins to 2 hrs.  Always just long enough to get checked-in at the ER where I would try to explain to the doctors what was going on, to then have it vanish. At the time I had never heard of CH and simply resorted to taking near-toxic levels of ibuprofen. My parents would watch hopelessly as I would scream, swear, cry hysterically, running in circles on the floor, all while wishing for death and asking the Lord "Why me?"
  As soon as the episode came it vanished for a number of years until this spring. Surprisingly,  My family physician diagnosed me while having one in his office.  He administered sub-q imitrex (also prescribed me maxalt) and administered 12 L O2.  He also has given me a perscription for up to 15L of O2 which I havent attempted to submit to my insurance yet.
  Aside from seriously wishing death upon myself when I have a CH, the disease has caused a lot of collateral damage which I'm sure all of you are all to familiar with.  It is a huge burden on a newly married wife to watch her husband go absolutely bezerk! In my worst CH attack I awoke one early morning to a searing, exponentialy worsening pain. I started to punch holes in the wall do to hellish pain and loss of sanity.
  Stephanie has been extremely supporting and loving but it depresses me to think that instead of acting like newly weds we have been living more like siblings due to the stress.
  As of late I have had some issues with getting the university to take my condition seriously.  In the last summer session I was penalized because I missed a lab due to a CH. I requested an ADDITIONAL letter from my doctor to give to the dean to have my disability recognized. I have pasted in the letter explaining the situation....

Dear Dr.XXXXXX,
     This letter is in regards to my office visit on the 13th of July due to the cluster headaches I was having.  I gave the note you had written addressing my circumstances to my professor later in the week. After taking my exam on the morning of the 14th I was unable to attend the afternoon lab due a CH. The TA (teacher’s assistant) explained to me at the time that my absenteeism from the lab in the afternoon would not be able to be made up because of tight scheduling.  While checking my grades yesterday it was apparent that not only could the lab not be made-up but that it would be given 0 out of 25 grade points. If you could address, to me, another letter that states I was in your office that week (instead of the emergency room because of a $940 difference) to treat a previously diagnosed, on-going case of cluster headaches, requiring in-office administration of high-flow oxygen. 
     I feel as though the university’s chemistry teacher’s assistants view my condition as a mere average headache.  It was suggested during the week that it would be OK for me to bring my oxygen tank in to the organic chemistry lab even with the possibility of bunsen burners or sand baths being used.  I feel the oxygen tank would have been a hazard in addition to myself being drowsy from the effects of the Maxalt while attempting to measure various strong chemicals.  The next lab period the class was told it was cancelled due to the air conditioner not working which presented a safety issue. I fail to see the difference.
     I take my schooling very seriously. It is extremely disappointing to not be able to perform your best because of health issues. Due to my condition being chronic as of late it has hindered my ability to put the proper and consistent studying that I would normally perform.  To miss one lab out of a total of 24 over 10 weeks due to a disease that is extremely painful yet taken very lightly by many is discouraging.  I not only missed my lab but my scheduled interview with the University of Kentucky Dental School on 07/16/2010 due to my CH’s.
     At this juncture it appears as though I will have to put any future undergraduate and prospective graduate plans on hold until this condition can come under some sort of control. I completely agree with your expressed concerns over any future academic endeavors in lieu of the situation. 
     




I appreciate everyone who has listened to me ramble about this, but I am so worn out from the battle with CH and the problems it causes.  I feel most people view them as a mere headache (best case) or the view you a complete fruit cake with a weak pain threshold. Even doctors which are knowledgeable about the condition cannot understand the pain which is experienced that can bring a young man with a bright future to his knees wishing for it all to end. 
  I am feeling optimistic to find all of you which are experiencing what I am.  I hope that I will be able share my experiences and lessons which might help someone else suffer a little less then I have.
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"We can not allow you to make up the scheduled organic chemistry lab due to the nature of a summer course but if you want you can bring in your oxygen tank while you perform the experiment..."  Lab TA
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 12:59pm
 
Welcome!

Best advice I can give is get that O2! You won't regret that move....
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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 1:39pm
 
What do you want from us by way of information, med literature, etc.

Do you have a headache specialist in your camp? Many people have wasted years trying to find relief because most docs have inadequate training/experience dealing with complex headache disorders.
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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
Bob-  I was more or less just introducing myself and my story, not really asking a question per say...  if I stuck this in the wrong forum I apologize.
  I could use some experiences/info if anyone has had to  deal with school/work attendance issues.  I was told by the Dean that if the professor did not want to excuse me that they did not have to legally.  The dean could have the record removed from my transcript and give a refund but that was it. I cant see how that is even legal.  I feel that is basically discrimination against a disability.
   My doctor is just a regular GP. He is very attentive to fine detail and I truly believe he cares about his patients.  He was actually the one to breech the idea of CH's.  He scheduled me for MRI, cat scan, etc... and then expressed that the next time I were to have an attack that he would rather I come directly into his office instead of paying a $1000 for 30 min of oxygen. If anyone in the central maine area is in need of a doc that is understanding of CHs his name is Dr. Fredrick Heinamenn.  He is more than willing to refer me to a neurologist but the copays are starting to pile up and I feel my current doctor is trying to be as aggressive as possible about the situation. Until loan money comes in I cant afford it.

Im going to attempt today to get my perscription for oxygen filled through my insurance ( Dirigo Health).  Not expecting to have it covered but Im going to try. I will have to pay for it out of pocket if it is not covered. I feel oxygen works the best out of everything I am currently prescribed.

Medications
Verapamil 300 mg/day
Ritalin 60 mg/day
Maxalt  (as needed, recently switched from inj imitrex)
Melatonin  (I take 10 mg every night)
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"We can not allow you to make up the scheduled organic chemistry lab due to the nature of a summer course but if you want you can bring in your oxygen tank while you perform the experiment..."  Lab TA
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 2:37pm
 
Welcome to the board. It sounds like that your doctor is right on top of it.

Most of us can abort a cluster in 5-10 minutes using 02.  Can you find a closet or private bathroom and leave a tank there so when you feel one coming on ,you can run in there and knock it out quick and go back to what you were doing?

I kept a tank in my cruiser, one at the office and one in my private vehicle. I never let it keep me down.
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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 3:35pm
 
Hi Ryan.  I'm glad you found us.  This site has more information than you will get almost anywhere.

This letter to colleagues was written by a sufferer in England and it has helped many people explain this condition to bosses and the like.  I would print this out and take it to your school.

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I'd like to ask you why you switched from Imitrex inj. to Maxalt?  The Trex inj. works  fast and you could have been back in the classroom in 10 mins. or so & not have missed that test and subsequently the credits. 

There are ways to deal with CH so that it should NOT interfer with working or school.  No one should put their life on hold because opf this condition because then IT wins.

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Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 5:33pm
 
Welcome good sir! 

Question to start, why ritalin??  Hope it is not for the CH. 

Anywho....Yes, it would be nice if everyone recognized the cluster pain and cut us some slack because of it.  I never expect it (not saying you do) and perform accordingly.  Made it through college and Navy flight school with the undiagnosed condition.  Humans are remarkably adaptable to circumstances, aren't we?

So now, on to the better stuff:  sounds like your doctor has his cluster mojo going and is giving you stuff that can work.  Oxygen and caffeine top the list of abortives.  People like the caffeine/taurine combo (energy drinks) the best at the very very first onset of an attack.  Melatonin for nighttime sufferers is worth a try to.

For long term preventatives there is a list of pharmaceuticals that people take here, or come on over to Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register and check out the 'alternatives'.  Sister website to this one so you'll find a lot of cross-pollination.  2 attacks in 2 years for me( my fault), broke or averted several cycles too.  Powerful stuff. Smiley

You definitely came to the right place.  Everyone here will give you our pain remedies and tricks to avoid most of the pain.  With careful execution you won't have to beg for re-takes anymore.  Angry

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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:46pm
 
No criticism intended in my reply; just want to be able to give you what you are seeking.

I don't think we have any collective wisdom to offer re. the school issues. Sounds like the making of legal complexity, in any case.

Appreciating you doc, liking his style, is a dilemma when his treatment suggests he is not as sophisticated as you might need. Let me throw a couple of items at you which might guide your decision on this question.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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See the PDF file, below.
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MANAGEMENT OF HEADACHE AND HEADACHE MEDICATIONS, 2nd ed. Lawrence D. Robbins, M.D.; pub. by Springer. $50 at Amazon.Com.  It covers all types of headache and is primarily focused on medications. While the two chapters on CH total 42-pages, the actual relevant material is longer because of multiple references to material in chapters on migraine, reflecting the overlap in drugs used to treat. I'd suggest reading the chapters on migraine for three reasons: he makes references to CH & medications which are not in the index; there are "clinical pearls" about how to approach the treatment of headache; and, you gain better perspective on the nature of headache, in general, and the complexities of treatment (which need to be considered when we create expectations about what is possible). Finally, women will appreciate & benefit from his running information on hormones/menstrual cycles as they affect headache. Chapter on headache following head trauma, also. Obviously, I'm impressed with Robbins' work (even if the book needs the touch of a good editor!) (Somewhat longer review/content statement at 3/22/00, "Good book....")
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If you want to seek a specialist:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Understand the $ issues. Once you have a good Dx, this med has been very effective for some of us and is, on a per dose basis, less than the triptans.

Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.

Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.







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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
Welcome to the board! 32 years of CH here, I've had the best success using a 2 pronged approach.

1: A good prevent. That is a med I take daily while in cycle to reduce the number and the intensity of my hits. I use lithium at 1200 mg a day, blocks 60-70% of my hits. Verapamil, at high doses, is the usual first try prevent, with Topomax also having a loyal following.

2  A good abortive. The attack starts now what? Get that oxygen prescription filled, but first read the 02 info link on the left. You must use a Non Re Breather Mask, start it at the first sign of an attack, and use a flow rate of at least 15 LPM. (Some go 25 LPM and higher to get relief, those regulators can be bought on E-Bay, Craigs List etc.) I can abort an attack, be completely pain free, in 6-10 minutes. Beats the hell outta the old 90-120 minute rides! PLEASE try the 02, it's been getting rave reviews around here!

Imitrex injectables are great when I'm away from my 02, Imitrex nasal spray works for some, I have never tried them. Imitrex pills take too loong to be absorbed to be of much use to most CH'ers.

Others have given you some great emergency tricks, the energy drinks etc., but PLEASE, get the oxygen filled. Like Jimi, I kept a tank in my cruiser when I was working, one in my office and several at home. It's freaking magic how fast it'll stop the pain.

Welcome home.

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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
Welcome. You've been given some great advice so far. You seem like an intelligent, sensitive and caring individual with a terrible affliction. That said,

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I started to punch holes in the wall do to hellish pain and loss of sanity.


...you gotta knock that off, man. You're gonna scare the shit out of your new bride. Find some other way or you'll end up facing this thing alone. Many of us have found a way to become even more calm than we usually are by mentally isolating the pain in our mind's eye.

Get the O2, and whatever other abortive you can use, and stay focused on being the master over your pain. And once you find an effective preventative (I'd talk to your doc about upping the verapamil or combining it with lithium), you'll find yourself winning these battles.

Then, once it's under control, go visit clusterbusters.com
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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 3:04am
 
Hi and welcome!
I know that many of us have had struggles in our work place in dealing with the absences that CH may force on us.  I had to decrease my work hours after my second bout of CH in 6 months - the unpredictable time off was creating havoc with the office. 
That being said, yes, as far as my understanding, CH does fall under the law as a disability - ie. it has a significant negative impact in one or more of your realms of activities of living - work, social, home. 
It's worth a try talking to your dean or professor about this issue.  If you receive no satisfaction, you may need to take it up the ladder...
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