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Aug 5th, 2010 at 12:57pm
 
Im Amy and stumbled on to your site. Not sure if its cluster headaches. I have occasional migraines and this is definitely not a migraine.
---Ok, about 4 years ago my doc suggested I may have cluster headaches. I disagreed with him because I had already looked up info on headaches and had ruled it out since mine had been bearable. My main complaint was that I seemed to have a recurring headache. The pain is always on one side (kind of above and behind my left eye causing my eye to water and feel pressured), and it is every day for about a month and a half straight. It comes and goes thru the day and night. It wasnt severe enough to really need to take anything for it, just more of a nuisance really and I wanted to make sure nothing serious was going on. I also noticed that it would religiously begin around March and end around April. Well, I thought maybe I had lucked out this year since March and April came and went without a single headache. Well now, here I am in August and for the last two weeks I have had this headache every day. Its in the same location, but now it seems as though the pain is a little more intense. Im not much on taking meds unless I absolutely need them, but I drink extra coffee and it sometimes will help. Sure enough though, later on thru the day, it comes back. Its like I cant make up my mind whether I have a headache or not. So I know that cluster headaches are severe and incapacitating. What I want to know is: In the very beginning of your situations, did y'all (yes, Im from Texas) ease into clusters with maybe a couple of years of only shadows, or did just all of a sudden WHAM--you were hit full force with excruciating pain?
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Re: new, maybe cluster headaches?
Reply #1 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 1:09pm
 
You need to see a headache specialist.

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Reply #2 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 1:15pm
 
Welcome Amy!

To answer your question, I was misdiagnosed like many with sinus headaches as a teen which I now know were "shadow" headaches all along.  To get acquainted with terms like "shadow" and "KIP", read all of the info on the left hand column.  Also, take the cluster quiz.  Most importantly go to a doctor and get checked out to rule out anything else.  You'll probably go to a neurologists and one who specializes in headaches are best.  There are a lot of folks on here from Texas, so they may help you locate a good neuro.

Here is a link from the OUCH site with doctors in all of the states.

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If it is cluster headaches that you have and it sounds like it might be....then get a doctor to write a script for oxygen.
If that doesn't work, a lot use welders O2.
O2 is the hottest abortive on here and it's as natural as you can get.  No side effects, low costs and quick aborts if used correctly.  If you have any questions, just ask.

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Re: new, maybe cluster headaches?
Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 2:05pm
 
Amy, you are dealing with a couple of issues:

1. When Clusters are first developing the signs & symptoms are often vague, changing, inconsistent with the standard diagnostic description. It's possible that a new case might take months to several years to settle down into a stable picture.

2. There are dozens of types of headaches some of which may appear to be clusters but which arise from some other disease/disorder. Sorting thru the options takes someone with skill/experience.

If you have the options, suggest you find a headache specialist. Far too many docs, even neurologists, lack training and experience in this area, leading some poor souls to wander around for years trying to find out what's going on.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

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Amyamax wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 12:57pm:
Im Amy and stumbled on to your site. Not sure if its cluster headaches. I have occasional migraines and this is definitely not a migraine.
---Ok, about 4 years ago my doc suggested I may have cluster headaches. I disagreed with him because I had already looked up info on headaches and had ruled it out since mine had been bearable. My main complaint was that I seemed to have a recurring headache. The pain is always on one side (kind of above and behind my left eye causing my eye to water and feel pressured), and it is every day for about a month and a half straight. It comes and goes thru the day and night. It wasnt severe enough to really need to take anything for it, just more of a nuisance really and I wanted to make sure nothing serious was going on. I also noticed that it would religiously begin around March and end around April. Well, I thought maybe I had lucked out this year since March and April came and went without a single headache. Well now, here I am in August and for the last two weeks I have had this headache every day. Its in the same location, but now it seems as though the pain is a little more intense. Im not much on taking meds unless I absolutely need them, but I drink extra coffee and it sometimes will help. Sure enough though, later on thru the day, it comes back. Its like I cant make up my mind whether I have a headache or not. So I know that cluster headaches are severe and incapacitating. What I want to know is: In the very beginning of your situations, did y'all (yes, Im from Texas) ease into clusters with maybe a couple of years of only shadows, or did just all of a sudden WHAM--you were hit full force with excruciating pain?



Welcome!  I'm new too and everybody here has been amazingly helpful in just the day I've been a member.  It sounds like clusters to me, but I am far from an expert since I'm only just now getting them myself (started in June for me).  I did speak to a medical professional (off the clock) who told me that cluster headaches commonly started in July.  I don't know what his basis was for that info so I took it with a grain of salt.  I thought I'd share since it sounds like your new bout started in July-ish.

When I was trying to figure out what was wrong, I took this headache quiz:

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It gave me clusters and migraines as what was possibly wrong, and looking up both I exhibited way more cluster than migraine so I went to see my doctor with what info I should find.  I urge you to do the same, at least just to get to a neurologist and rule out anything dangerous.
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Re: new, maybe cluster headaches?
Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 3:59pm
 
Welcome to the board Amy, you've already been given some excellent advice. Mine started some 32 years ago and they were not at all classic CH attacks. Wasn't until I hit 20 they started to develop the classic CH patterns.

But like Bob said, there are hundreds of headache types, and meds helpful for some are worthless for others. Best to get the legwork done now to confirm what ya got before it does develop into anything more significant. I know  when I'm getting hit hard by CH attacks I can't reason enough to make sensible decisions about anything!

Good luck on your journey.

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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 10:25pm
 
Thanks guys. You have been a great help. It seems as though I have many of the symptoms of CH--the only symptom I seem to lack is the severity. For the last two days I have taken ibuprofen when it started to get more than just annoying. The pain would ease up in about 30 minutes (which is what it usually takes for ibuprofen to kick in) and completely gone after an hour. But today, after reading up on the subject, I decided to just "tough out" the headaches so I could make a record of them. Well, they had the same pattern without the anti-inflammatory med. So I guess what I though was the ibup easing the pain, may have been just the pattern of ch?
Here is my pattern today:
5:45 am- alarm goes off
6:45 am- start to notice a little pain above and behind right eye
7:30 am- a little more intense
8:15 am- owowowowow! but still able to hold a phone conversation
8:25 am- pain disappears

1:10 pm--crap, here it comes again--same left side
1:20 pm---alot worse, a whole lot faster this time. (I went from air conditioning to scorching Texas weather to take my daughter to vball practice---seemed to effect me as soon as I went outside. It seemed to die down a few minutes after returning home.
1:37 pm--still a little pain (kind of strange but my right eyelid started twitching?
1:45 pm--realized I had no pain

6:20 pm--noticed it coming again, same left side.
6:45 pm---trying to eat, but its getting worse. drink a coca-cola
7:15 pm--it has disappeared

You know, I remember my mom telling me that my grandpa used to have absolutely horrible headaches. She said they definitely werent migraines. Of course, he was a heavy alcoholic, so I always thought that was the cause. She also said when she was in her late teens and early twenties she had such horrible headaches that she would bang her head on the walls and pull out her hair. She also suffered from migraines but told me that the headaches she had were way worse than migraines.

I figure that since my headaches are still mild and bearable Im not going to the doc with them. However, I am going to begin documenting the patterns of them so I will have something to go by if they do become more serious.

I guess on the Kip scale, my pain varies from 1 to 3, maybe even a 4 at worst. They are definitely not to the point of pain that my migraines have had. Thats what made me wonder if these could be the beginning stages of CH.

Heres a question for ya. Have any of you ever used a rescue inhaler to help ease pain? My daughter and I have asthma so we always have those laying around. I mean, think about it, if an inhaler opens up the passageways for your lungs, then it only stands to reason that you will get more oxygen once they are opened. -Just wondering if any of you have tried it and if it worked or not.

Anyway, thanks for all the responses. After reading so many message boards, I really hope that I dont have CH. But I guess If it turns out that I do, I know I have support.
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 10:39pm
 
Welcome to the board Amy. I remember oh so long ago that when mine started they weren't that bad.
I would just lie still and they would go away in around 15 minutes.

Like Joe said, the next couple of times they started gettting worse. Why don't you try chugging down a red bull and see if it helps when you first feel it starting. It sounds like clusters to me but until you see a neuro, you can't be sure.
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Reply #8 - Aug 5th, 2010 at 11:42pm
 
Hi Amy - it may be the start of cluster headaches, but it might be something else. I strongly suggest that you consult a doctor who has a good understanding of headaches as you really want to rule out anything else that could be giving you similar symptoms. This is not the sort of thing you can just diagnose yourself.
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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2010 at 9:27pm
 
Hi Amy,
Welcome! I am a newbie as well. I lived with migraines nearly all my life and this year my glucose, heart rate/rhythm, and blood pressure went haywire. In January, I had an episode that seemed like a combination between a stroke and an MI.  I was hospitalized and put on many drugs.  It was suggested that I have a pace maker implanted and I was tested for brain abnormalities as well.  Over the next couple of months I recovered and thankfully did not have the pacemaker implanted.
In June I took a trip to help my daughter with my newborn grandson and I began having short lived pains in the left side of my head and eye much like you described. I had four or five a day and treated them by drinking coffee, spraying my nose with antihistamine, putting my face on the air conditioner vent, and using an ice pack. The pain was intense, but short ,only about 20 minutes and bearable. Around the beginning of June everything changed and I was getting KIP 8-10s daily and 3 attacks at the same times every night. I had a normal MRI of the brain except for a small area of stroke and compression of my spinal cord at C3-C7. The neurologist was not concerned except for the cluster attacks. I was exhausted and hadn't slept for weeks. He began treating me for CH and here I am. So for me, it started with mild symptoms and quickly progressed.  Hope this helps!  lib
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
Hi and welcome Amy.

You really DO need a clear diagnosis of Cluster headaches.  Once you have that I want you to read read,  read around here.  Start with the links to the left of here.  THEN progress to all the testimonials of what works for them, the medications etc.

ESPECIALLY the oxygen link !!!!

We're all here for you and rooting you on.  We can answer almost any questions you have or die trying...lol

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Re: new, maybe cluster headaches?
Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
Hi Amy and Welcome!

I agree with all who suggested you seek a Headache specialist.  Your Doc may have been right years ago.  Best to be on the safe side and seek a Doc's opinion.  Keep a headache journal, looks like you have one or at least a good start on one and take that in with you when you go.

If you are diagnosed with CH make sure to request O2 therapy for your CH!!!  See the O2 info. on the left.

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