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Hi everyone, i'm a cluster headache sufferer. I'm going into my 4th week and this past week has been really tiresome on me, today i cried like a baby because i just can't take it anymore. Its so debilitating and ruins days on end for me.  I'm an ICU nurse who works just weekends and I stay at home Mon thru Fri and take care of my 3 little girls. My husband is in grad school, so I'm pretty much a single mom for now. This cycle has me just so depressed. I haven't had one in 4 years. Last time they came just at night, horrible enough, but I could at least deal with it, take my imitrex and sleep the rest of the night, and verapamil worked for me. This time, I'm having them during the day, when I'm supposed to be functioning as a mother. I take imitrex to abort them, And my verapamil isn't working this time to stop them. And I'm new to "shadow" pain, but I get that all day long in between attacks, with brief short pain free times. It seems as though the imitrex isn't working as well this week to abort them, they just linger and never really disappear. I know they say nausea isn't associated with cluster h/a, but I'm so nauseated from this pain,  Really just exhausted from them. I'm never sick and going through this makes me feel like a loser. I see a neurologist next week. I hope to develop a medicine plan that will work. I really hope this is over soon. I haven't tried oxygen yet, but if I get one at work this weekend, I'll definitely try it. My husband is extremely supportive and does whatever he can to help me. However, they really need to come up with a better name for this. "Cluster headache" doesn't exactly sound severe and these things are from the devil, lol. They really need to come up with a more serious name for this torturous suffering. Hope to learn more from this site and meet fellow sufferers.
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Reply #1 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
Hello Jenn,
Welcome!  I am also a newbie in my first "cycle" and also work in healthcare on the administrative side. So far, I've had 4 attacks at work and was able to maintain with an abortive although I'm not in a patient care role; I can't imagine what that would be like. For about three months I was getting 2-3 attacks per night and finally succumbed to the exhaustion.  My children are grown so I don't have that issue and while my husband is available during most of the attacks, he sits quietly while I perform my exorcism of this devil. He has learned alot by reading the support information and knows just what to do. My list of drugs includes Verapamil, Depakote, Prednisone, and MaxAlt; they have worked for me so far and I am tapering off the Depakote and Prednisone now.

As far as the naming of the beast; I no longer use the word headache when telling people (I don't tell many, just my secretary and one true friend at work) I always say I'm having a seizure type activity and I am fine. The way I look during an attack makes them understand this is NOT a headache; so that monstrous appearance of our faces is enough to convince the non-believers! LOL  One day I asked my secretary to meet me somewhere with my emergency pill from my desk drawer...she wanted to call 911 because I looked so bad.  Thirty minutes after my MaxAlt, I was in a meeting looking relatively normal.  So I understand what you are feeling.  there is a lot of knowlegeable people here; especially about the O2; I haven't tried it yet but I will. Do whatever it takes to get some sleep and know there are a lot of folks here that can help.  Good luck and many many PF days and nights!  lib
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Reply #2 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:03pm
 
Welcome to the community Jennb!! So sorry you had the need to find us though!

As many others will be along to tell you.....O2 is extremely effective for me in aborting hits within 8 to 10 minutes.....read all the info on the yellow highlighted Oxygen tab on the left nav bar!!

Welcome Home and sending PF thoughts and wishes your way!!

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Reply #3 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:08pm
 
Ouch Jenn, welcome to the board. When you try 02 at work you need to make sure you get 100% 02 to the lungs. So NO nasal canulas and NO  re breather masks. You need a Non Re Breather Mask and a regulator flow of at least 15 LPM, or best of all a demand regulator if you have access. Get on it at the first sign of an attack, you'll be amazed. 02 has all but eliminated my dependency on imitrex injections.

And nausea, although not common a lot of us do feel like ralphing and many do! Wink

Only advice I can offer is talk to the doc about upping the verapamil dosing...with careful heart activity monitoring of course. Some end up going to what we call the "chronic cocktail" which is the combo of lithium and verapamil. Has worked for many when nothing else did.

Have you tried energy drinks for the shadows? Rock Star Monster etc. Any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug one down and see if it helps. Many use them for hits too. Also it sounds wild but 4 Way Nasal Spray....that's the brand name, used in the nostril of the affected side will alleviate shadows sometimes.

Feel for you, when the kids were little that sure added a nasty wrinkle to wrestling with the beast. Wishing you some peaceful pain free time soon.

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Reply #4 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:13pm
 
Hey Jennb, welcome to our hell.  Or should I say welcome to your new life managing your pain effectively so you can work and be a Mom as you choose.  Others will be along to add stuff and here are some things to try and think about:

Caffeine is a brilliant tool to suppress the pain.  Take at the very first inkling of an attack.  If you get an attack at the same time every day, then take it 15 minutes before you think it will happen.  Some people swear by the caffeine/taurine combo that is found in some energy drinks like redbull etc.  For me, coffee or soda or caffeine pill works fine.

Get your oxygen and set it up as per the "oxygen info" tab on this site.

Melatonin helps night time sufferers.  I don't take it but others claim great success.

Maybe that is all you need?? and maybe you will go for something stronger.  Many people here have a prescription or 2 they use to help.  Make sure you read up on all of the drugs as they can come with some serious side effects for some.

For alternative, natural medicines, go to Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; Good news; they work really well without the side effects.  Bad news; they are not legal, but they are readily available.  Check out that site before you discredit them.

Lots to read and learn at these 2 sites.  Good luck and feel free to ask questions! Smiley

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ps, hang in there, we have all been there and are sometimes there still.
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Reply #5 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:07pm
 
Finding the right meds for yourself can take some work but you will get there. I use O2 and DHE IM injections to abort and Lithium & Verapamil for prevents. The DHE gives me up to 24hrs pain free.

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Reply #6 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:25pm
 
thanks guys, you are all so very nice Smiley
how much caffeine does it take? because i've drank probably at least 60 mg before one and it didn't work.
it is very tough at work, i've had to hide out in the break room, my coworkers are good about it, but they understand it to be a "migraine", when you say i have a cluster h/a, everyone says "oh, yes migraines are horrible". not at all the same thing, thats why i really think it should be named something different. last time the imitrex worked relatively quickly at work, but i'm nervous about going this weekend, because the imitrex isn't working like it was for the last 3 weeks. thats why i will hook up with a non rebreather and 15 liters of O2 in an empty room and try that ( sorry employer, but its either that or i go home)
i take oral imitrex, i've only tried one injectable but do have a few injectables left, i have to be careful taking them, it caused me to have heart palpitations, and thats a pretty scary sensation, it lasts for about an hour, but wipes out the attack very quickly for me.
i'll be discussing that next week with the neurologist.

also, i was wondering if any of you have memory lapses, i used to be sharp as a whip, and since i've had these, i've had lapses in memory and congnitive haziness--just wondering if its a side effect of imitrex or if there's any research into this about the attacks possibly causing this problem

also, does the oxygen work to get rid of it completely until the next expected attack?

thanks for yall support(yes, i'm from the deep south), it feels so good not to be alone in this
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 12:29am
 
Memory lapses not so much other then what you'd expect from a 50 year old! Wink

Oxygen will kill an attack for me completely, but it will often come back within 20 minutes. In the past I was combining the oral cafergot with the 02. 02 would punch it out, cafergot would buy me up to 12 hours. Now I drink a red bull as I start the 02 and it seems to accomplish the same thing. If you get a come backer within 20 minutes you might try the red bull trick.

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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 8:09am
 
The energy drinks (Red Bull, Monster, etc) couple 80mgs caffeine with 1000mgs of Taurine. That combo chugged seems to work wonders for me and others. If the imitrex injectables are out for you, consider trying migranol nasal spray. Doesn't work for everyone, maybe not for most, but it has worked for me. Expensive stuff, and like imitrex, limited by insurance companies. Still, there are more alternatives, including kudzu and clusterbusters. Good luck and God bless! lance
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 11:25am
 
Hi Jenn,
It took me a while to put everything together but memory lapse and loss of basic cognitive skills were the first signs for me.  I thought I was just getting old, late 40's you know, or perhaps bored with my job. I also was back in school working on two Master's degrees and thought I was just overloaded.  The first physical sign for me was a "fall out" in January of this year that resembled a cross between an MI and a stroke. Everything the hypothalamus controlled was askew... you would have thought some physician somewhere along the line would have put it all together...instead I was treated by 5 physicians for all the different symptoms....had a lunch box full of drugs etc.  In May I had my first cluster attack and thank God I pick a really good neurologist that hit it on the head (LOL) the first go round. I am still dealing with the memory loss issues....can't remember how to open a spreadsheet sometimes..AAAHHH! It has been suggested I have some cognitive testing but am really considering not doing it because I don't want that in my record; someone may think this is a psychiatric diagnosis or something. As I said earlier, I never use the word headache if I have to explain what is going on....attack seems to work well for me. Keep positive and listen to the veterans here; they have helped me immensely!
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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 12:13pm
 
Well, i had to call into work today, yesterday i decided that my 180 mg verapamil dose wasn't working, and it really hasn't, i've had the worst week EVER, its like going through labor everyday for a week, the neurologist can't see me until next thursday, didn't like my other one so i'm switching to someone else-- anyhow, i increased my verapamil to 270 mg and decided to try it, it did prevent an actual full-blown attack, but i'm having awful shadow pain constantly-- well last night i began feeling awful in a different way, and being i'm an icu nurse i knew to check my vital signs, sure enough, pulse of 48, bp low-- can't increase the verapamil apparently---any suggestions as to what to try next for preventative treatment? i hate this trial and error stuff, what a mess. today i've gone back to 180 mg of verapamil, still pulse in the 50-60's, but my husband and i are both nurses and i'll be watching my vital signs today, these shadow pains are really bad too, blurry eye vision, pounding pain behind my eye and temple, and burning sensations that come and go, any suggestions for shadow pain? thanks
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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 3:30pm
 
oh, okay, just realized yall said red bull for shadows, i'll try it, but i hate red bull
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:01pm
 
I've been using Lithium as my prevent for many years with no significant side effects. At 1200 mg a day it clocks 60-70% of my attacks, oxygen and the occaisonal trex jab seem to amnage most of the rest. A little lethargy that coffee breaks through okay, some people get hand tremors, I have not. Might be worth a try.

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Reply #13 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:13pm
 
Red Bull or any energy drink with 1,000mgs of Taurine. O2 must be used correctly to work. 100% pure O2 no outside air.

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Reply #14 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:17pm
 
thanks, i'll keep it in mind, not crazy about lithium, actually scared to try it, however, this is the first day i didn't have one in a week, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! i'm so excited, maybe my verapamil is hitting therapeutic range for me. i've learned alot from this site, i think i need a transitional med added, i'm sure i'll get more experienced as to what to do
the last time i had a cycle 4 years ago is when i was diagnosed and the verapamil worked very well for me, this time they started a month ago, with no regular pattern and then, BAM, last weekend regularly every day and by wed-thursday constant shadow pain with regular attacks daily
i really really hope its starting to get better i'm keeping my fingers crossed, if not, at least i've had a better day today, thanks for your tips!
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Reply #15 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:28pm
 
Welcome Jennb I am sorry you had to join us in a life plagued by CH hell. 

I don't envy you right now, at least my kids are grown, as a mother of younger children this post Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register may be of help to you and your little ones.  If nothing else it may make your children feel less helpless when you are being bombarded by the beast.

I am glad you found this site though.  Read all you can and ask any questions you need to.

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Reply #16 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 7:22pm
 
thank you for the link ginger
its summer, and they want to have fun, they are 9, 6 and 2 yrs old. and at first we were having lots of fun, then all of a sudden mommy has become sickly and "very boring", my husbands in grad school and last week had to put school to the side, which is not good for his grades, this is all very taxing on us, i hope it starts improving soon
i have to admit at first i neglected how serious it becomes, having an attack occasionally, treating it with imitrex and  4 yr old verapamil, thinking i could get by without having to go back to the dr., not smart, so i learned the hard way-- next time if my meds are out-dated get to the doc pronto! and hop on a regimen right away!
its definitely a learning process
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Reply #17 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:31pm
 
Hi Jenn,
      
      Glad you found us. Lots of good info and helpful suggestions from everyone so far. One thing that hasn't been suggested yet is keeping a headache journal. I track my headaches, the time of day, duration of pain, level of pain, etc. My med dosing and times, sleep patterns, and now I've added the weather too. Lots of us here are affected by barometric pressure changes as well. A journal will be most helpful when you see a neurologist or headache specialist.

      I know how frustrating it is when you can't seem to get the correct  medication cocktail and dosing to keep the beast under control.  Our patience seems to be tested to the max in all aspects of life when we are in a cycle.

      Hang in there. I hope this doctor you are waiting to see can get you on the right track and your cycle ends soon.

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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 12:21am
 
Hi Jenn,
I'm with you on the red bull drink.  My husband RAN out and got some for me (he'd have brought me the moon if he'd thought it would help) it was so nasty I couldn't get it down; so I went back to my caffeine and a melatonin. The prednisone and Depakote kept the beast away for me but this is only my first attack. As a healthcare person myself, I understand adjusting our own doses etc.  I did that recently and got "the look" from my neurologist!  LOL  So tonight is my first night without the Depakote and I have tapered to 5mg of pred. I just had my coffee and a melatonin and we'll see what happens.  I have my MaxAlt on the nightstand. I know how frustrating it is to go from superstar at work to less than optimal...unfortunately for me, my boss sees it too. Hang in there and I hope your neuro will come up with a plan that works for you. Blessings, lib
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Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 9:50pm
 
thanks guys, my husband had suggested the headache journal, so i'll fill it out and bring it with me, i did go to work today and did have one coming on, but imitrex worked pretty well, i'm learning to take it as SOON as i feel tinges of pain, because it works much better that way
my memory loss does worry me, its subtle, but its like really bad forgetfullness sometimes, hard to explain
at work its like pieces of information are just not there (that used to be there)and i have to look things up or ask, and just forgetting things that i need to remember, absent-minded, and forgetting something i've just told someone, so i repeat it, its sooooo frustrating,
sorry you have this problem too lib, its really disturbing, but i'm wondering if it could be a side effect of imitrex, i really hope it is and that its temporary, only time will tell
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