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Dying in Omaha with CH
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Jul 18th, 2010 at 10:52pm
 
My name is Steff, I live in Omaha, NE with my boyfriend and "hopeful-soon-to-be husband" of 2 years.  Though I am not a cluster headache sufferer and don't claim to know their pain, Rob (my bf) is a sufferer, chronic sufferer to top it off!  He has had them for about 3 years.  He has been to numerous specialists from "Headache" specialists, to ear nose and throat and neurologists.  He has even been trying chiropractic treatment, with no relief of the headaches.  We will be trying scupuncture next.  If that is unsuccessful, we may consider the last resort, deep brain stimulation.  It is still experimental for Cluster Headache sufferers and is shown successful in people with Parkinson's Disease.  He doesn't have the time or patience to research and join forums such as this one, so I am being proactive in finding every possible treatment.  We are desperate for help!
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Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 11:20pm
 
Hi Steff, sounds like you are a great supporter!  Unfortunately you will now have some additional duties in your life.  A good chance that Rob is in a lot of pain a lot of the time.  This comes with being a chronic.  If he is too frustrated to be here then it is up to you to sort this out.  Although this place saved most of our lives so the fact that he wouldn't come here doesn't really make sense.  But whatever, you're here and that is enough for now.

Unless there is a lot more info than what you mentioned you have lots more to do before the 'last resort'.  Given the doctors visits you mention I am guessing that you have tried lots of drugs??  Feel free to list them and their doses so the folks here who take them can speak up on the typical success that people have had.  doctors give people all sorts of stuff that doesn't work and some stuff that does.  Not everyone is the same but there are some common experiences people have with the clusters and the medications.

Chiropractors and acupuncturists haven't had the most successful treatments on most of us, even though sometimes they say they can stop the headaches.  For 2 cycles a good acupuncturist lessened my pain, but not enough for me to use him again for subsequent cycles.

Check out Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; That would be my first stop for a chronic sufferer (or episodic for that matter).  Can't emphasize this enough.  Game changer!

Also pay attention to what meds others here are using if you want to go the pharmaceutical route.

Caffeine, oxygen and melatonin are all worth a try.  AND all of that is worth a try before the surgical stuff is pursued.  I am not telling ya'll what to do, and I know he is in a lot of pain, but do some more research and make good decisions that will likely work. 

I have had clusters for 26 years, others here have had them longer, and if I new then what I know now, I would have had an almost pain free cluster life instead of what I had. Angry

Good luck Smiley

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Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 8:38am
 
None of the brain surgeries have a well established track record yet. Suggest you exhaust the well established treatments before making this jump.

It's essential to work with a headache specialist. Many of our folks have received poor treatment because so many docs don't have training/experience with complex headache disorders.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 10:57am
 
What Bob said. Just left a convention this weekend where they talked a lot about this deep brain stimulation stuff. The potential side effects, stroke, paralysis, death, were extreme to say the least. Definitely to be considered only as a last resort when all other methods have been exhausted.

Has he tried oxygen? 32 year sufferer here and it's still my first and most effective abortive, generally pain free in less thn 10 minutes. Read the oxygen info link as it must be used correctly or it will not work at all. Does he take any daily prevent meds to reduce his attacks? Verapamil and Lithium are 2 great first round tries, the combo of the two is often called the chronic cocktail for the relief it provides the more severe cases.

My wife found this site for me originally or I'd still be eating aspirin by the handfull and banging my head against the tile. Lovingly conitnue in your attempts to get him on as first person descriptions and advice are always more effective.

Bless you for taking this on, you might wanna spend some time in our supporters section. Good place to get some advice from our better halves on what to do with us when we're in cycle and being pains in the butt!

Joe
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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 12:43pm
 
Hi Steff,

Glad you came here, that was a smart thing to do, because folks researching and asking questions here typically start finding better ways to relieve CH.

I'm also happy to see that you've received real good advice already in this thread that could lead you in the right direction. All of us replying here are CH'ers and we are NOT screwing around, we have very seriously sought out the most effective relief, have been successful, and we want to make sure others hear about it here.

We've seen some chronic sufferers that weren't being helped at all by the medical professionals get a lot of relief using the preventative clusterbusters protocols that ShaggyParasol recommends checking out, as do I. Here's a video talk on the subject by one of Rob's brothers in CH:Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I will also concur that the oxygen info link on the left of this page is an immediate must read.

I'm a big fan of accupunture for various ailments, but not CH - we haven't seen much in the way of results with it.

We're pulling for you and Rob - there is real hope! IMO - try the powerful, non toxic approaches outlined here before even thinking of submitting to the knife.

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
Besides what everyone has already said...I would like to add that Chiropractic msy be good for other conditions but has no effect on CH.  Save your money. 

Oxygen, and a good preventative like Verapamil is what I would suggest.  Finding a good Dr. is one of our more challenging aspects with CH and it looks like you haven't been very lucky with that.  Don't give up.  Keep looking.
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Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 7:47pm
 
Hey Steff,  what a wonderful girlfriend you are!!  Looks like everyone else has stepped in and offered some great advice.  I agree that oxygen is definately worth a try - and there are plenty of good meds to try before resorting to surgery!  Would be great if he'd take a peak over here - no one knows the pain like another clusterhead!!

He's very lucky to have you! 

Wishin' you both all the best,

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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 8:34pm
 
Hello Steff

welcome

can't even begin to think what you an your bf are going through right now , thoughts and prayers coming your way,

For now energy drinks could be worth a try , Red Bull etc. they can help reduce the pain of an attack or even stop one Guzzle a can at the first sine of an attack , and it's very strait away too.

God bless

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Reply #8 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 8:11am
 
Just a "hey" from me, and welcome. Check your emails when you get a chance. lance
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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 11:55am
 
Bless your heart Steph, does your honey know how lucky he is?

Read all you can here and print important info. out for your honey to read if he won't come here.  After reading some good info. on CH , preventatives and aborts, aside from possible help finding a good CH Dr
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he may finally decide to come here and log on.  He wouldn't be the first to do so in this manner.

Good Luck to you and your honey.
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