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Husband's First Cycle Just Started -Please Help
Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:02am
 
I spent all day yesterday studying this website as well as OUCH. My Husband is in his first Cycle. It started 16 days ago and he thought it was just Migrains. His internist prescribed Duradrin. After realizing that he was getting these unbelievably sever headaches at roughly the same time daily and that the intensity/frequency was getting worse I started to research headaches. My Husband has 3-6/day right now but seems to be getting more each day. He woke up twice last night with them and regularly has them around 2:00 PM. 5:00PM and 9:00PM. The last few days his eyes water and his nose runs if it is a bad one (he won't stand still long enough for me to see if his eye is drooping). It is always on the same side of his head/eye and no medication including the Duradrin helps at all.  After we learned about Cluster Headaches on wikipedia, then this site and OUCH (he has every single symptom to a tee). He went back to his Doctor yesterday and explained his symptoms in detail. The Doctor said that yes, it might be Cluster Headaches but he would not discuss any of the medication recommended on this site. He prescribed Pregnazone and Maxalt and would not refer him to a Neurologist (he said my Husband needed to take these pills first and then see where we are). There are no doctors on the good doctor list near us. Red Bull, Ice and Hot Showers seemed to help last night but if it gets worse… I am very worried and I am still studying this site as fast as I can but any advice is very much appreciated! I want to know why the Doctor would prescribe pregnazone and maxalt (does he still think it is migraines) also, what should we say/bring to get him to prescribe something that will actually help or refer to a Neurologist?  Thank you for taking the time to help others, I have Graves Disease and I know what it is like to have a very rare condition which is not well researched; patient advocate/support groups information is way ahead of most doctors.     -TIA Tonia Fish  (toniafish ‘at’ yahoo.com)
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Re: Husband's First Cycle Just Started -Please Help
Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:14am
 
I assume the med you mentioned, "preg..." is actually prednisone. That and Maxalt are standards for cluster.

The prednisone is taken for several days, with decreasing dose each day. With Cluster, it will abort the attacks within a day or two. BUT, it's also necessary to start using a longer acting preventive med at the same time (so that it can build up in your body), such as Verapamil.

Maxalt is not the first choice for Cluster but it works for some folks. Most folks prefer Imitrex injection or the nasal spray form for very rapid action to abort an attack, the speed needed because of the rapid onset of cluster.

IF your doc comes around to refer you, we would strongly suggest locating a headache spcialist rather than a general neurologist. Most generalists just don't have the depth of training/experience which we need. While you are waiting out your present doc, look around:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Also read the PDF file below and print a copy for your present doc. His neck is a bit too stiff right now (and likely won't change) but it's the only thing you can do short of changing docs.

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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:29am
 
IMO, your husband needs a definitive diagnosis, not tinkering and "practicing" medicine.  Most of us have seen way too much of that.

There's some good news, however...

A prednisone taper is often used to interrupt a CH cycle.  When the taper is finished, however, the headaches will return unless something else is done.

Normally a predinisone taper is taken in conjunction with a preventive, such as verapamil.  The taper can stop the cycle and end the headaches until the preventive can take effect.

Maxalt is an abortive.  It's used to stop an individual attack, but will not interrupt the cycle itself.  It's useful, but it's generally regarded as a less effective abortive for CH than other alternatives--imitrex injectables, for example.

There are more effective approaches that can be made toward the treatment of CH.

Why your husband's doctor has refused to refer him to a neurologist (a neurologist specializing in headache would be particularly helpful) is beyond me.

I'm sure others will be along with advice that is more helpful than mine. 

In the meantime, invite your husband to join us, okay?  We'd be happy to get to know him.

All the best,

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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:34am
 
If your doc won't listen to you, you change doctors. This is one of those conditions you either ger really really lucky and get a knowledgeable doctor, somewhat lucky and get an open minded doctor who will at least listen to you, or get screwed with a doctor who ACTS like he knows it all. This is a recipe for hundreds of untreated attacks you scream your way through.

Find a neuro who won't require a referral from your primary. My current neuro did not require any kind of referral, is somewhat educated on CH, and LISTENS to me.

Until that happens, look into welding oxygen. Exactly the same as medical grade oxygen, just need a different style regulator, Read the oxygen info link on the left, it has the details. Then get on the 02 when an attack starts, I go completely pain free in less then 10 minutes.

Good luck, bless you for being a supporter.

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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:52am
 
Once you have identified a specialist via the resources Bob has posted you need to work out a preventative treatment plan with your doctor.

Prednisone is only a transitional treatment and although your husband is likely to become pain free for the duration of the course, once it is being tapered off, it is highly likely that the pain will return. Some people have broken their cycle with prednisone, but its rare.

Discuss the choice of prevents with your doctor. Many here use Verapamil, Topamax or Lithium. All of them require several weeks to reach therapeutic levels. There are others that you can read about here, but the above are generally the ones that are being tried first by most here.

The abortive of choice is O2 at flow rates of min. 15 lpm or more. Check the "oxygen info" tab on the left of this page on how to use it correctly and on how to obtain the proper prescription for it. Most here, if used correctly, manage to abort their attacks within 5-10 min with it.

I have personally found that a histamine-free/low or ph-neutral diet can be helpful and that lots of water intake can have a positive effect on the severity of hits. Read the "water x 3" tab.

Additionally, some folks here observe a very rigid sleeping regime in regards to sleep and wake times to aid the hypothalamus maintain a consistent rhythm. Melatonin, as sleeping aid, but also as a medication to ease the attack frequency at night may be something you want to research here.


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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:32am
 
Listen to the quartet of experienced voice above.  All offer sound advice.

I just wanted to chime in a say thank you for taking such good care of my clusterbrother.  You supporters are the rock we cling to in the storm.

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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 11:57am
 
By the way, not sure if you noticed the link for "Supporters Corner". Stop in and visit us. We kind of support each other while supporting our loved ones. It's not always easy, as you have seen, to watch them in pain. Sometimes we need to vent too - or maybe share ideas on how to help. Recently Jackie gave me great advice that helped me help my husband. Stop on down!

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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 8:14pm
 
The oxygen info link to the left of this page is essential reading (if you haven't gone there already).

Another preventative approach that I don't believe has been mentioned yet, but is showing tremendous promise for CH, is covered in this Newsweek article:

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2010 at 12:34pm
 
Sorry you have to deal with this horror. This isn't much but until you find something that works, sometimes sleeping in a recliner will knock off one headache a night.

This worked for me:

Dr. Wright’s Circulatory Technique

I am not sure what mechanism is triggered by this but whatever it is, at least indirectly helps kill the pain. This technique has nothing to do with meditation, relaxation, or psychic ability. It is entirely physical and takes some work. It involves concentrating on trying to redirect a little circulation to the arms, hands, or legs. Increased circulation will result in a reddening and warming of the hands. As silly as it sounds, try to think of it as filling your hand with redirected blood flow. The important part is that it has to be done without interruption until it has some effect. Do not give up in frustration. It may not work on the first try. Sometimes it can work quicky but it almost always worked after a time. Try experimenting between attacks. You will find that it gets easier with practice.

I was given less than five minutes instruction in the use of this method. The doctor, while placing his arm on his desk, showed me that he could slightly increase his arm and hand circulation. After several attempts, I was able to repeat this procedure and use it successfully. I have had about a 75% success rate shortening these attacks. My 20 minute attacks were often reduced to 10 minutes or less. Once proven that I had a chance to effectively deal with this horror, I always gave it a try as I had nothing to lose but pain.

I used to try to imagine I was pushing blood away from my head into my arm. Use your imagination. There is one man who wrote that his standing barefoot on a concrete floor shortened his attacks. This may be similar as it draws some circulation away from the head. Cold water, exercise, or anything affecting circulation, seems to be worth a try. My suggestion is to not let up immediately when the pain goes. Waiting a minute is probably a good idea. So long as you do not slack off, this has a chance of working.

This technique is very useful while waiting for medication to take effect or when none is available. It costs nothing, is non-invasive, and can be used just about anywhere. It is not a miracle but it helped me deal with this horror. It can be a bit exhausting but the success rate was good enough for me and a cluster headache sufferer will do just about anything to end the pain. It gives us a fighting chance.

I hope this technique is helpful and I wish you the best of luck.

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