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Reply #25 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 8:11am
 
bonkers wrote on Oct 19th, 2009 at 4:12pm:
His main complaint has been an inability to sleep. Could it be that the seeds . . . . ?

It shouldn't be the seeds.  They usually make me sleep like a baby with interesting dreams Smiley
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Reply #26 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 11:52am
 
Maybe anxiety.
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Reply #27 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 12:24pm
 
Chad wrote on Oct 21st, 2009 at 8:11am:
bonkers wrote on Oct 19th, 2009 at 4:12pm:
His main complaint has been an inability to sleep. Could it be that the seeds . . . . ?

It shouldn't be the seeds.  They usually make me sleep like a baby with interesting dreams Smiley

I have the same experience with seeds, sleep like a baby.  I think Brew nailed it with the anxiety.  Fear of ch is what kept me awake for almost a year (ok, I did get some sleep, but there were nights that I got 0 hours of sleep and then went to work in the morning)

Kepping everything crossed for Michael.

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P.S. Thanks Brew for explaining the YMMV.  I didn't see that.
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Reply #28 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 12:53pm
 
My equation is also seeds = sleep as in babySmiley
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Reply #29 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 1:00pm
 
I'm a firm believer that anxiety can be alive and well even after we fall asleep. We'll either sleep very poorly or we'll keep waking up, which is sort of the same thing.
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Reply #30 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 9:24pm
 
Good ideas you guys, but I think it more likely that he's so used to having a constant headache that feeling even moderately well is almost a new experience for him. Makes him kinda hyper and happy and unsleepy. Just my opinion.
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Reply #31 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 9:36pm
 
YGIAGAM

(Your guess is as good as mine) Wink
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Reply #32 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 4:28pm
 
I've recently been experimenting with the seeds and so far, it's too early to tell.

1st dose was 30 seeds, 2nd was 35, 3rd was 42, and last night was dose #4, which was 52 seeds.

I've been getting blasted for the past few weeks s far as numbers of hits. However, the past week has lightened up a bit. Like I said though, too early to tell, but have hope.

No side effects really. Lights get a bit brighter but that is it. Ater a few hours, I have no problems sleeping. Been dosing 5-8 days apart. I use a pepper mill grinder to crush them up, then pour room temp distilled water. Have let them steep as little as 4 hours or as long as 27 hours.

I'll know they're working if I suddenly stop getting CH's.  Wink

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Reply #33 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 4:31pm
 
Completely detoxed, Carl?
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Reply #34 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 5:37pm
 
Brew wrote on Oct 22nd, 2009 at 4:31pm:
Completely detoxed, Carl?


Off of all triptans, but some meds I cannot go more than a day without, other wise It'll cause more problems.
The day I dose though, I don't take any meds from the time I wake up, don't eat & just drink water, then go for as long as I possibly can before dosing.

I've been told that either  a) my other meds will block the medicinal effects of the rc,  or   b) the other meds shouldn't be of consequence if not taken before the dose.

I look at it this way: I don't have anything to lose by trying.
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Reply #35 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 6:29pm
 
Sounds to me like you're doing everything you can to get the best results from the RC Carl, so we'll be very interested in hearing the continuing results.

Best o' luck to ya!  Cool
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Reply #36 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 6:31pm
 
bonkers wrote on Oct 21st, 2009 at 9:24pm:
Good ideas you guys, but I think it more likely that he's so used to having a constant headache that feeling even moderately well is almost a new experience for him. Makes him kinda hyper and happy and unsleepy. Just my opinion.


Yeah I would imagine that feeling moderately well would be  like a revelation for Michael - I sure hope that continues.
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Reply #37 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:13pm
 
Saw Mike's Doc day b4 yesterday. He seemed incredulous that LSD worked but didn't discourage us from trying it or other psychedelics. Wouldn't give us an Rx for O2 - wanted to go back through Mike's chart and see how he had prescribed it b4 and would then mail us the Rx. I think he was afraid we might do something dangerous, like use a non-rebreather mask or try a flow rate >10 LPM. Whatever. I'll get industrial O2 and buy/lease a tank and the rest on my own.

On a lighter note: Mike's STILL relatively PF. Still has the background headache (which may, at least in part, be caused by the methadone) and occasional spikes that start but don't go anywhere. But, he's out of bed, active, walks around with this goofy grin. We took a short hike yesterday. Cool, huh? Maybe there's something to these crazy little r.c. seeds after all.
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Reply #38 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:19pm
 
bonkers wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:13pm:
Maybe there's something to these crazy little r.c. seeds after all.

One way to find out - start backing him down from the methadone.
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Reply #39 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 4:31pm
 
Does anyone eles still get solo hits?? i had a real bad night last friday. woke at 2.40 with that old familaiar feeling, 10mins of 02 back to sleep. 4.40 woke me up again this time at kip 8 and moving up fast, 10 minutes of 02 nervously back to bed, and woke again at 6.20 for the 3rd cluster in a night. Just did seeds 2 weeks ago. Re dosed saturday and have had nothing yet (thank Goodness). 3 in one night freaked me out and made wonder about the seeds.
i had a pretty nasty head cold, im just wondering about the solo hits. 

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Reply #40 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 4:46pm
 
That's just what we're doing, Brew. This is the 8th day and counting, relatively PF. Down from 12/day to 10. He doesn't care much for the withdrawal. Tough shit. Sure beats the hell out of C.H's!! I'm curious to see if O2 helps with the withdrawal. Anybody have any experience with that?
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Reply #41 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 5:56pm
 
bonkers wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:13pm:
n.

On a lighter note: Mike's STILL relatively PF. Still has the background headache (which may, at least in part, be caused by the methadone) and occasional spikes that start but don't go anywhere. But, he's out of bed, active, walks around with this goofy grin. We took a short hike yesterday. Cool, huh? Maybe there's something to these crazy little r.c. seeds after all.


That is just way beyond cool.  Smiley Grin Grin Grin Grin Cool


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Reply #42 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 6:07pm
 
Bonkers, if necessary, get welders O2.  Buy the NON rebreather mask,(can be bought here and on e-bay, and buy a regulator that can go to a minimum of 15 lpm also available here on maybe e-bay (not sure).

Welder's 02 is the same stuff as medical 02.  I use it.  I have a lovely tanks, standing about 4' high in my living room that I rent for about $56 per year.  It costs me roughly $17 for a refill.  Get it.

To Coach Bill.  When you first begin dosing with the seeds, it is really common to have several days and nights of pretty heavy hits.  Do a re-dose, wait, dose again.  It takes several days to even a few weeks before you might see a positive change.

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Reply #43 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 8:43pm
 
Sandy_C wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 6:07pm:
...........................................................Bonke
rs, if necessary, get welders O2.  Buy the NON rebreather mask,(can be bought here and on e-bay, and buy a regulator that can go to a minimum of 15 lpm also available here on maybe e-bay (not sure).

Welder's 02 is the same stuff as medical 02.  I use it.  I have a lovely tanks, standing about 4' high in my living room that I rent for about $56 per year.  It costs me roughly $17 for a refill.  Get it.....................

Do not give up.

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Sandy,

Good post, and I strongly agree with everything including welding O2 -  except.........:

Start with a higher flow regulator. Oxygen at 8-15 lpm works for some folks really well, but it is my personal experience that intractable cases often need more.  Much more.

A 15 lpm regulator can be purchased for the same cost as a 25 lpm regulator and can be adjusted down to 6 lpm if that's all you need.  But, a 15 lpm cannot be adjusted up to 25 lpm or higher in case you need that.....

I tend to preach this point because the jump from 15 lpm to 25 lpm suddenly made O2 a viable abortive for me.

Boosting to 45 lpm was a miraculous discovery for me. I'm broke so I like the idea of buying the right one the first time  Smiley

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Reply #44 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:32pm
 
Hi Marc. Would you please tell us where you buy your regulators, and maybe a recommendation as to model? Thanks.
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Reply #45 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 2:17pm
 
bonkers wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:13pm:
Wouldn't give us an Rx for O2 - wanted to go back through Mike's chart and see how he had prescribed it b4 and would then mail us the Rx.


Hey Doc, could ya put a little "giddyup" into your step please??

Some docs see clusters as a chronic condition that requires no urgency at all. Maybe when he's done looking at the chart, he can get himself a "pathy" bone implant. He seems to have been born without an "em" or a "sym".  Sad

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Reply #46 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 4:25pm
 
Marc,

In my post I said a MINIMUM of 15 lpm.  When I bought my regulator over three years ago, 15 lpm was considered what was needed to help, and I found a regulator that went that high. 

Since that time, a regulator that can go to 25 lpm minimum, has become the recommended choice.

Fortunately, because I consider myself to be one of the very lucky ones having CH, my little 15 lpm has done the job for me, along with the seeds.  If it wasn't doing it's job, I too would immediately get a regulator with the highest flow rate I could find, but, if it ain't broke, I don't need to fix it.   Smiley

Anything I post with regard to my use of seeds, or to O2 is only what I know from my own personal experience.  I can't post about anything that I've never personally tried, and never will,  but can only give information on those things that I have tried.

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Reply #47 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 8:12pm
 
Pinkfloyd wrote on Oct 24th, 2009 at 2:17pm:
Maybe when he's done looking at the chart, he can get himself a "pathy" bone implant. He seems to have been born without an "em" or a "sym".  Sad

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Guess he was born with only an "a" before his "pathy".   Shocked
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Reply #48 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 11:36pm
 
Hi Pinkfloyd. Mike and I both feel that his Doctor, while neither a Neurologist nor a Headache Specialist (he's a neck/back pain specialist), has an extraordinarily good heart and really cares about Michael. He's even told Michael's story at several pain specialist seminars and asked for suggestions. I shouldn't judge, but I don't think that he believes that there's any value to be found in any medical treatments or ideas unless they emanate from the brains of people that have either an MD or a PhD following their names. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate medical suggestions offered by his patients.

bejeeber, Sandy_C, Brew, Marc, thanks for your support and suggestions. They are appreciated and will be followed.

BTW, 9 days and still counting. Michael is confident enough that he planned an evening out with a friend tonight - the first in a REALLY long time. Something came up . . . but, still.
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Reply #49 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 11:42pm
 
I think Michael's Doctor has all his "pathy" parts pretty well intact - they just need a little lubrication to keep them running smoothly and free from ego.
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