Buzz wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 6:43pm:Melissa wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 6:35pm:Buzz wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 6:14pm:I am surprised that as a group of people sharing a common illness that there isn't consensus that our peers, our fellow sufferers here deserve equal treatment. I have heard lots of viewpoints about "liberty" here but very little about compassion and humanity - without which, liberty is stillborn.
I see NOTHING here that says fellow sufferers do not deserve to have treatment. I DO see that there are some who believe in personal responsibility for their own lives, which includes securing a job, purchasing insurance, etc. We cannot be the nanny for everyone in this nation. Now I understand how difficult that is at this time in our struggling economy, but pushing through a Federal program such as a public option is not helping the situation, it's just adding to a multi-trillion dollar defecit. Not only that, it's unconstitutional.
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I don't for a minute assume Americans are not taking responsibility for their own lives. Of course there are a few who don't but they are just that: a few. Again, I repeat, I am talking about the people on the forum WHO ALREADY STATE that they cannot afford adequate health provision. I never mentioned whether or not they are employed/employable/unemployable.
With regard to the budget deficit, I cannot comment on the macroeconomics other than to say that a universal healthcare plan could, via scales of economy cost each individual considerably less, freeing up more of their cash to be spent in the general economy. Which could get things moving again very nicely.
The fact is health care companies (insurers, hospitals, doctors, pharma, medical supply, convalescent care, rehabilitation, therapists, nurses, technicians, etc.etc. etc.) are all in it to make a profit. Every single last one of them, and THANK GOD THEY ARE! If there was no motive to provide these services (i.e. profit) and all we depended on was the heavy hand of the government to make doctors, nurses, hospitals, technicians, medical suppliers, therapists (i.e.everybody in the business) provide these services "for the good of the nation", well we would be SCREWED.
That's where this is going. Today, it's the insurers that are evil (because they are only in for evil profits). Tomorrow, it's your doctor (because he charges enough to pay for his education). The profit motive is WHY we have the best health care system on the planet. With 300 million people in America, you're going to have some people who are unhappy. You're going to have some unethical behavior by almost anybody, anywhere at anytime. So, I guess the only way to fix that is to destroy the system instead of addressing the real issues like tort reform, illegal aliens, and insurance companies malfeasance.
Many of us support the kind of reforms that would actually help the system rather than fundamentally removing yet another one of our freedoms.
Claiming that opposing a public option is akin to denying the helpless their medical care is disingenuous. We have over 170 Federal government programs to help the less fortunate... and nearly every one of them is broke or going broke because the Federal government has shit for brains when it comes to managing our money.