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Jul 4th, 2009 at 5:17am
 
Hello. I am brand new to this forum and reading through the introductions has nearly reduced me to tears. I first started to suffer with CH when I was sixteenish although didn't know at the time. I was variously prescribed glasses, pain medication, had two operations on my sinuses and dismissed as a crank. I have felt alone with this all of my life and am finding this quite hard to type. I am not an emotional sort but am going that way now. I have tried many types of medications, mostly migraine specific and useless and it wasn't until my wife found a circulation called Migraine News in the UK, with an article on CH, that I finally realised what I had. I would have been about 37 years old at the time. My doctor hadn't a clue but there was a name on the article, a specialist in London, who was happy to see any sufferer. I got an appointment and travelled down to the big smoke to see him. He knew more about me than anyone else I had ever met but he was still researching and wanted to learn as much as he could. He even asked if he could induce an attack so that he colleagues could watch. I agreed but it didn't work. He prescribed me Verapamil and I have been pain free for 10 years or so now.
What I want to know from others is whether you feel that this condition has affected your personality at all. My wife could always tell before me when an episode was close to arrival because I became very bad tempered and would snap at the slightest thing. That tended to go away when the attacks started but was quite upsetting. I have to say I hadn't noticed it until she pointed it out but I remember periods earlier in life when I would be filled with rage and thought I was quite mad. Unfortunately, whilst the pain has gone, the other symptoms remain. I still get shadows and the fear that the beast will return and this seems to trigger behavioural changes just as before. Verapamil also seems to have had an affect on my weight also as I have got quite large since starting it. Despite being pain free for such a long time I find that I talk to the beast still and challenge him to come back. I am too strong for him now after all!! Am I bonkers.
I am now 50 years old and heard that the headaches can go away when you reach your late 40s/ 50s so I have taken the decision to stop taking the tablets and see what happens. I am scared to death but will let you know what happens. Heat/ hot weather always seemed to be a trigger for me and, as I emigrated to southern Italy last October, this summer will be a good test.
Any help or advice gratefully accepted.
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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 7:57am
 
There is no evidence that CH, as a specific disorder, induces emotional distress, etc. There is a much larger body of literature about the impact of chronic illnesses, broadly defined, on the development of anxiety disorders, depression, and so on.

There is a limited literature suggesting that certain personality types are more sensitive to pain, feelings of powerlessness, and generalized emotional responses which make the underlying disorder more troublesome.

I'm going to throw a couple of articles at you--not as a diagnosis of your situation--but as samples of the kinds of research which link physical disorders to anxiety, etc.

Last, a link to a form of cognitive counseling which you might try on your own which can, with some self-discipline/practice, modify your emotional reactions to the CH. Cognitive therapies have been well researched and are quite potent but you may wish to consider consulting a therapist if this approach is of interest.
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Report of a study (from MEDSCAPE.COM):"Patients With Anxiety Disorders More Sensitive to Bodily Changes"

Sept 16 - Patients who have anxiety disorders appear to be more sensitive to bodily changes, which in turn suggests that the perception of panic attacks is reflective of central rather than peripheral responses, according to the results of a study published in the September issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry.

"Physiologic responses of patients with anxiety disorders to everyday events are poorly understood," Dr. Rudolf Hoehn-Saric and colleagues from the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, Baltimore, write. They compared self-reports and physiologic recordings in 26 patients with panic disorder, 40 patients with generalized anxiety disorder, and 24 nonanxious controls during daily activities.

The subjects underwent four 6-hour recording sessions during daily activities while wearing an ambulatory monitoring device. The team collected physiologic and subjective data that were recorded every 30 minutes and during subject-signaled periods of increased anxiety, tension, or panic attacks. Primary outcome measures included recordings of heart inter-beat intervals, skin conductance levels, respirations, motion, and ratings of subjective somatic symptoms and tension or anxiety.

Compared with controls, patients with anxiety disorders rated higher on psychic and somatic anxiety symptoms. Patients with anxiety disorders also rated themselves higher on disability scales and on sensitivity to body sensations. Both patients with panic disorder and those with generalized anxiety disorder experienced diminished autonomic flexibility and less precise perception of bodily states.

Patients with panic disorder had a heightened sensitivity to body sensations compared with generalized anxiety disorder patients. Autonomic arousal levels were slightly higher in patients with panic disorder, and this manifested itself in faster heart rates throughout the day.

"These findings suggest that, after having experienced anxiety attacks that are associated with strong bodily changes, patients become sensitized to such changes and may experience physiological symptoms of panic attacks..." [In effect, their bodies are acting as if there was a threatening condition even when this was not the case.]

The investigators note that the diminished autonomic flexibility found in both panic disorder and generalized anxiety disorder patients may result from dysfunctional information processing during heightened anxiety that does not discriminate between anxiety-related and neutral stimuli.

"It is important to measure physiological responses and not rely on verbal reports," Dr. Hoehn-Saric added. "A demonstration that physiological responses during anxiety attacks are milder than perceived can be reassuring to patients," he said. "However, the long-term effect of diminished physiological flexibility is unknown."

Arch Gen Psychiatry 2004;61:913-921.
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Imagine a person who is afraid of, for example, dogs and can experience an anxiety attack by thinking about meeting a dog or even seeing a picture of a dog. (Or, replace "dog" with your own feared thing/experience.) The anxiety is NOT being caused by a real life experience, in this situation (the thought or picture). The mental and body reactions which we call "anxiety" are a kind of habit response which are very real in their effects, however. Anxiety produces mind and body reactions which are measurable and have a real impact on how we function (and even on long term health of the body). 

The anxiety becomes an automatic response, beyond direct control of will. With this development, the person has experiences (anxiety) which are confusing or misleading--they cannot separate the real life threat from their body's automatic ("I'm in danger!") reactions. When dealing with cluster, for example, the effect of this anxiety reaction (and this is true for depression also) is that the person has increased sensitivity and reduced tolerance for pain; their sense of suffering is elevated and the capacity for effective self-treatment is reduced.

Medication can dampen the experience of anxiety but it does not unlink the reaction from the underlying thoughts or misinterpretation about the situation. ("I'm in danger"; "this will never end"; "I can' bear the pain", etc.) Cognitive therapies have been very effective (especially when combined with short term meds use) in teaching folks how to break this link.
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J Behav Med. 2006 Feb;29(1):61-7. Epub 2006 Jan 6.  Links
The contribution of pain-related anxiety to disability from headache.Nash JM, Williams DM, Nicholson R, Trask PC.
Centers for Behavioral and Preventive Medicine, Brown Medical School/The Miriam Hospital, Providence, Rhode Island, USA. Justin_Nash@brown.edu

Disability associated with headache cannot be fully accounted for by pain intensity and headache frequency. As such, a variety of cognitive and affective factors have been identified to help explain headache-related disability beyond that accounted for by pain levels. Pain-related anxiety, a multidimensional construct, also has been found to contribute to disability in headache sufferers. What is not known is whether pain-related anxiety is unique in contributing to disability beyond the role of headache-specific cognitive factors and emotional distress. The present study examines the influence of pain-related anxiety on disability, after controlling for pain, cognitive (self-efficacy and locus of control), and affective factors (emotional distress) in a sample of 96 primary headache sufferers. Pain, headache-related control beliefs, and emotional distress accounted for 32%, with locus of control related to health care professionals contributing unique variance.

IN THE FULL MODEL, WITH THE ADDITION OF PAIN-RELATED ANXIETY, ONLY PAIN-RELATED ANXIETY WAS A UNIQUE PREDICTOR OF DISABILITY. THESE FINDINGS SUGGEST THAT PAIN-RELATED ANXIETY MAY HAVE A UNIQUE AND IMPORTANT ROLE IN CONTRIBUTING TO DISABILITY IN HEADACHE SUFFERERS.

PMID: 16397822 [PubMed
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Reply #2 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 9:20am
 
Many thanks for the above and I shall look into it further. I think myself that on a subconscious level somewhere I know that an episode is on the way and this, in turn, triggers a degree of tension, fear, etc which causes my temper swings. I was a police officer for 30 years and the temper never manifested itself at work, that would have been unprofessional in the extreme, and I think containing it at work as well as trying to function during an attack, caused increased problems away from work. It is very strange, I have never really thought about it so much before and it is interesting for me to discuss on this forum. The last week, since I stopped taking the tablets, has led to a degree of tension that I have not experienced for some time which tends to confirm most of what you have written.
The worst thing, I think, is the shamefulness of being crippled by pain. Having played rugby and being an old-fashioned type, men should be above this so I suppose I increase the tension by being angry with myself for being afraid. This self analysis can't go on, I'm in danger of sorting myself out! I am very grateful for your comments and very detailed response which must have taken some time.
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Reply #3 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 10:19am
 
Just as a point of reference: some women have described the pain of a CH as worse than that of child birth!

We don't hear about it much anymore, with the development of effective abortive meds, but some folks used to beat their head on the wall because that deflected their attention from the CH! The worst example being a woman who banged her head on a concrete sidewalk, induced a stroke and died.

As you experience, the focused pain of CH is worse than the more diffused pain of physical traumas.....
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By the way, there is some excellent research on CH coming out of Italy, i.e., some good people there for you.
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And here is a list of commonly used treatments in Europe:

HERE ARE TWO MAJOR DOCUMENTS WITH RECOMMENDED TREATMENTS FOR CLUSTER HEADACHE, ONE FROM A U.S. PHYSICIAN, THE SECOND FROM EUROPE.
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Here is a link to read and print and take to your doctor.  It describes preventive, transitional, abortive and surgical treatments for CH. Written by one of the better headache docs in the U.S.  (2002. Rozen)
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Treatment guidelines from Europe

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A. May, M. Leone, J. Áfra, M. Linde, P. S. Sándor, S. Evers, P. J. Goadsby:
EFNS guidelines on the treatment of cluster headache and other
trigeminalautonomic cephalalgias.
European Journal of Neurology. 2006; 13: 1066–1077.

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(Thanks to "cluster" for link.)
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I assume you were referring to Verap. when you said you had stopped using it. It is an effective med to prevent/reduce attacks and, while there is a potential for side effects, knowing what to look for is your best protection. Why deny yourself the benefit?

Here is a widely used protocol for its use:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).


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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 10:55am
 
Hi Yakamoz,
No your not bonkers, mad, insane or anything else mental (thats my job). what your feeling is natural and very normal (at least from my point of view).  i think most of us here have felt how your feeling and when i found this site I must admit i had a little sniffel to myself as i realised i wasnt alone (it was just a sniffel mind you) as for feeling angry think of it this way when you try to help a wounded animal (dog etc) it is very likely to turn around and bite the person trying to help it. its a normal generic thing (probably) and where are still animals at heart. I for one have told those who are close to me to please leave me alone during a hit as i get very snappy when im being asked questions every 5 minutes. most people respect this however one friend (who will remane nameless )kirsten)) doesnt seem to get it so finally  i told her for the 10th time that she cant help me and to please leave me alone untill its over she still carried on so i screamed at her that if she wanted to help me then to get a gun, load it, place it on the side of my head and to pull the trigger (bit extreme i know) she now leaves me alone (she doesnt have a gun)

we all feel like crap during these times and our nerves are shot to pieces but its our character that gets us through with the help of loved ones. Me im mad as a march hare so ive got now worry´s

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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 5:51pm
 
Hi and welcome. I know my husband tends to be edgy when he's on cycle. We know to be quiet during a hit and for sure not talk to him. But in between I think his edginess is caused more by his interrupted sleep (so not being rested enough) and perhaps side effect of medication.

Not sure but I've learned over 27 years of marriage to just try to keep an organized house, quiet, and not do things that would otherwise irritate him. (Unlike any other day when I am just mean! J/K).
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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 6:18pm
 
My wife used to tell me as much as a day ahead of time that I had an attack coming, but that was while I was still episodic.  Now I'm just hard to get along with all the time.  I agree that it is in part a matter of lashing out while in pain, partly due to sleep deprivation, and the meds can definitely cause irritability.  Verap did that for me a lot when I was on it.

Glad the Verap worked so well for you in keeping the beast at bay.  I hope he has forgotten you now that you are weaning yourself off the meds.

Please stay in touch!  I for one am very interested in how you get on.

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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 11:46pm
 
I believe only one CH attack will be with you for the rest of your life. Learning to live your life after one of these is the key.

We that have CH attacks more often have no other choice but to live as we can.....

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I said I would update you as to progress. Not good, I have now started another cycle of CH, my first for over 10 years. They started as very minor attacks about 10 days ago, left eye, probably 3 out of 10 for pain. I thought that this may be it but they have gradually become worse, not reaching the 10/10 I remember but certainly 6-7 and keeping me awake, waking me up and disrupting my sleep patterns. I have not started back on the Verapamil yet as I am hoping, probably stupidly, that it will be a brief attack and I can move on. I hate the thought of being back on tablets again but the recurrence has been very upsetting so I have to consider it. Maybe experimenting and stopping the tablets was not wise but I hung my hope on the fact that I had read that CHs often disappear in ones 50s and 60s (I am now 51). Are there many 50-60 year old sufferers out there?
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Reply #10 - Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:38am
 
Hey Yakamoz,

Sounds to me like it's time for you to launch a major counter offensive against this beast and hit it with every big gun you can get your paws on.

I am 51, have had CH since around age 21, and the episodes have gradually become further and further apart until I went 7 beautiful long years between my last 2 episodes.

With the help of info, advice and outright lifesaving assistance from those on this site, my CH experience has changed dramatically for the better and I hope you will become very aggressive so yours does too.

During my last episode that was approx. 3 months long, I experienced exactly ZERO full length, full strength hits. OK I experienced a 20 minute long high kip rager or two before my imitrex kicked in, but this was at peak cycle where I was getting slammed hard and often, and these 20 minute relative rides in the park would've very likely gone on for a crushing 4 hours or so if left untreated.

My personal regimen included high LPM non rebreather O2, imitrex for a backup, and Neurontin as a preventative. I'm not going to suggest Neurontin for you, but O2 is a must to have on hand I believe.

Also, if I would've had an inkling that I'd be experiencing another episode, I would've seriously looked into growing the powerful medicinal mushroom for CH that is in the mainstream media news now, in order to have some on hand. Unfortunately I don't know anyone who has access to the pre-grown variety.

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #11 - Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:44am
 
Yakamoz wrote on Apr 20th, 2010 at 5:47am:
(I am now 51). Are there many 50-60 year old sufferers out there?
Will keep you posted


I'm 56.  Still getting them, but I'm currently out of cycle.  (Started when I was 13, have been episodic ever since.)

Perhaps one outgrows them.  Couldn't say.

Sorry you've started another go-around.  Hope this one is mild and short.

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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2010 at 4:05pm
 
Sorry you found it nessesary to come back to the board Yakamoz!!!  Also sorry to be the bearer of bad news but......I heard the same thing from a Doc when I was about your age.....my last cycle started the middle of last August after an almost 3 year remission (longest in 27 years).......so at almost 63 I'm wonderin "what part of my late 50's do I gotta get to?"

Along the lines of Bejeebers remarks, CH started for me shortly before I turned 21 while serving in Nam.  My second cycle didn't occur until some 15 years later!  After all of the media coverage such as that which he posted, I have become convinced that I inadvertantly aborted CH in my life for that 15 years thru my frequent recreational use of mushrooms.  My second cycle started less than a year after I walked away from that lifestyle.....it's not something I would have ever considered doing again were in not for CH but just in case I haven't reached the right part of my late 50's yet, I will have some alternative meds available the next time the beast comes to call!!

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Reply #13 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 8:06am
 
I have started back on the Verap now and will keep on it until I can get hold of some Oxygen. Where we live in Italy they are a little one dimensional as far as medicine goes and I hate the thought of going through the same old shit again with Drs trying different medicines and not being believed and, as I can only get Oxygen on prescription here (unless I was a welder I suppose!) I'm not sure I want to go through it. I have developed and unhealthy disregard for Drs over the years so don't feel inclined to trouble one unless I'm dying and, even then, only if it was imminent.
Thanks for the advice guys, feels better just to talk about it.
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