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Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Jun 18^th, 2009 at 1:18pm

Hello cluster board,

I was recently prescribed imatrex, which has worked very well to abort my attacks. After i gobbled up all the samples my doc gave me, i just charged a very painful $175 for 6 more doses of the nasal spray, as my insurance doesn't cover drugs. What i'm realizing now though, this cluster is lasting particularly longer (2 mo instead of 1 mo). I'm not getting attacks everyday, but maybe twice a week with intermittent shadows. Anyone experienced this with imatrex?

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BryanSch CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 17	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #1 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 1:19pm Oh, and I guess i should introduce myself. Bryan, from Brooklyn. hello anyone/everyone.
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #2 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 1:23pm Oxygen is cheap. Potter
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Reply #3 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 1:24pm

What other meds are you on by chance? Anything as a preventive? You should also check into the cost of O2 as an abortive .

There has been some talk about the use of Imitrex and some other meds extending the length of a cycle.

Let us know what other meds you may be taking and consider looking at the O2 links to the left. O2 is a safe and effective abortive for many many people.

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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #4 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 1:58pm Hi Bryan, The more Imitrex I use, the more often and severely I get hit. It's a vicious cycle. As the others have said, check out the 02 info on the left of your screen. If you get a chance, tell us a little more about yourself. Welcome to CH.com. Jeannie
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Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Reply #5 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 2:20pm

Your question prompted me to review the medical literature on this issue. Results: only one abstract, in addition to the one following, which reported an increase in attacks/duration. Both reports say that the person's pattern returned to pre-Imitrex levels when they stopped using it. Note this abstract is reporting six peoples' experience; the second report covered four patients. NOT broad based population studies....

Second: when folks give their experience with any med, always keep in mind that they are reporting a case of one--themselves. They may have strong opinions about the med, their experience, etc. but this is never a substitute for medical reports with well gathered and evaluated data. Just a cautionary note as you read!
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Headache. 2004 Jul;44(7):713-8. Related Articles, Links

Subcutaneous sumatriptan induces changes in frequency pattern in cluster headache patients.

Rossi P, Lorenzo GD, Formisano R, Buzzi MG.

Objectives.-To document the relationship between the use of subcutaneous (SQ) sumatriptan (sum) and a change in frequency pattern of cluster headache (CH) in six patients. To discuss the clinical and pathophysiological implications of this observation in the context of available literature. Background.-Treatment with SQ sum may cause an increase in attack frequency of CH but data from literature are scant and controversial. Methods.-Six CH sum-naive patients (three episodic and three chronic according to the International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) are described. Results.-All six patients had very fast relief from pain and accompanying symptoms from the drug but they developed an increase in attack frequency soon after using SQ sum. In all patients, the CH returned to its usual frequency within a few days after SQ sum was withdrawn or replaced with other drugs. Five patients were not taking any prophylactic treatment and SQ sum was the only drug prescribed to treat their headache.

CONCLUSIONS.-PHYSICIANS SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE POSSIBILITY THAT TREATMENT OF CH WITH SQ SUM MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH AN INCREASED FREQUENCY OF HEADACHE ATTACKS.

PMID: 15209695 [PubMed]

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Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Reply #6 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 6:07pm

I too used imitrex only in medicinally treating CHs... at first.

It is too expensive and always relying on aborting the attack as opposed to preventing them was a losing battle. It also isn't very good for you, and I found with overuse of imitrext I would actually increase the number of headaches I'd get due to "rebound" headaches caused by the imitrex use.

I've found imitrex to be incredibly effective and functional as a tool used sparingly to abort bad attackes otherwise untreatable by other methods. On the rare occasion that I know I absolutely can not risk being woken up during the night with a CH, and I have been getting them, and my other medications aren't working, I will take an imitrex pill before bed as a preventative, but this is very rare, and is not the intended use of the pill. I assume it wouldn't work so well with the nasal spray.

A way to save money, increase effectiveness and potentially lessen the number of shadows and rebounds you experience would be to find alternate abortives (such as oxygen) and the addition of a true prventative medication (such as lithium, verapamil or prednisone). Alternately you could consider the herbal or natural methods for aborting and preventing (such as melatonin, the water treatment, Kudzu root, etc.) in addition to your fall-back imitrex.

Relying only on the Imitrex will get costly and lose effectiveness, and it's just not practical. I'll try to use oxygen to abort before Imitrex any time I can, and use the Imitrex as a last resort. I try to prevent attacks with Verapamil and Prednisone. Talk these over with your doctor and see what he/she thinks.

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Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Reply #7 - Jun 19^th, 2009 at 10:01pm

Thanks to everyone for the response!

I've been looking into oxygen and some alternative preventatives, but for now these arn't practical because I've been traveling a lot for work. Trying to get through this cycle, but I'm definitely going to try out some other things when the next one comes around.

Man, what a website. Are there any support groups in NYC anyone knows about? I'd love to see what a bunch of cluster heads look like together in person.

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2009 at 7:18am Everything above speaks os increasing the frequency of attacks but not of lengthening the cycle.
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slhaas CH.com Veteran Offline Posts: 181 West Allis, WI, USA Gender:	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #9 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 2:37pm My guess would be that the length of the cycle wouldn't really change, short of a few rebound headaches. However, I'm no doctor.
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whip CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 9	Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster? Reply #10 - Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 3:06pm I see alot of reference to Oxygen by ch sufferers, i tried it once at an oxygen bar at the airport and only got an extreme headache. Maybe my timing was coincidental or something but i am afraid to rey it again? Has anyone heard of oxygen causing an occurrance?
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Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Reply #11 - Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 4:05pm

whip wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 3:06pm:

I see alot of reference to Oxygen by ch sufferers, i tried it once at an oxygen bar at the airport and only got an extreme headache. Maybe my timing was coincidental or something but i am afraid to rey it again? Has anyone heard of oxygen causing an occurrance?

There was no way you were getting anywhere near the proper flow rate at an oxygen bar. You need to be inhaling it through a non-rebreather mask (100% pure O2 on intake) at between 15 and 25 liters per minute.

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Re: Imatrex prolonging cluster?
Reply #12 - Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 7:21pm

Woo hoo another NYer (unfortunately another CHer)

I'm out in long island but originally from queens and have relatives in Brooklyn...burrogh park and bayridge

Anywho.... shots work the best as far as trex goes....Oxygen is still Aces though as far as many of us go and will preach.

I keep jabs on me though I use O2 and if things are truly rough I will use zyprexa to abort which is safe with both.

Best to ya and drop a line if u need anything...Im not too far...40 tops

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