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First time this has ever happened
Mar 19^th, 2009 at 8:23am

I'm back in cycle again for a few weeks now. Started up the preventative meds (Sansert, lithium, melatonin at night). They're doing a great job keeping the pain at bay - averaging one or two shadows a day that are pretty easily killed with O2 and/or an energy drink.

But here's the weird thing - and this has never happened to me before. I am waking up 2-3 times per night like I was getting hit, but with no pain. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Better this way than the other way around. But I'm wondering if being in cycle can still cause the sleep disruptions even though I'm not feeling the pain.

Has this ever happened to you?

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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #1 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 9:46am Yup, but in my case that only happened with RC seeds. Otherwise I'm an all or nothing guy. Hoping it stays that way for you man. Marc
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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #2 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 9:52am It's been 3 years since my last bout. I still wake up EVERY night, EXACTLY 1 1/2 hours after going to bed. Just can't sleep through that REM.
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Reply #3 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 9:54am

I've had a couple cycles that were a collections of mild hits - hardly worth the bother. I was dancing with an Imp instead of the beast. But it was odd that many of the other symptoms were there, just very little pain. I even thought I was cured for awhile, but then I got another full cycle. My time is coming next month, so I'm apprehensive about what this year will bring.

I hope this keeps up for you!

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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #4 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:02am Brew, Are you experiencing any other symptoms besides just awakening.... watery eye, stuffed up nostril? I experience this a lot when I wake during the night. I keep expecting it to develop but , thankfully, so far it has not. I hope you are back to sleeping soundly soon. PF wishes, Jeannie
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Reply #5 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:14am

Jeannie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:02am:

Brew,

Are you experiencing any other symptoms besides just awakening.... watery eye, stuffed up nostril? I experience this a lot when I wake during the night. I keep expecting it to develop but , thankfully, so far it has not.

I hope you are back to sleeping soundly soon.

PF wishes,

Jeannie

Boo - No other symptoms when awakening during the night. Just waking up. During the day is another matter - somewhat stuffy sinuses on the left side, and as I described, shadow-level pain once or twice a day. No eye stuff.

I'm sure the meds are suppressing a lot of this, but so far this cycle has been one of the easiest I've ever had. If this were the way most of us started out, I could easily see how it could be mistaken for sinus problems.

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #7 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:19am No Brew haven't had that ride yet. Damned sorry to hear he's back, hope he's long gone by July, Christy can't wait to meet you guys. Joe
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Reply #8 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:28am

Redd wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:16am:

the beast is trying to brew up trouble...

I like that. Wink

Guiseppi wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:19am:

No Brew haven't had that ride yet. Damned sorry to hear he's back, hope he's long gone by July, Christy can't wait to meet you guys.

Joe

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #9 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:41am Joseph, Joseph, Joseph - Do you think for one minute that I'd let this fucked up animal prevent me from meeting your better half? You da man!!!! Joe
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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #10 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:43am Maybe more melatonin at night would help?? I know what you mean about the sinus thing. Mine feels sort of raw on that side. I find myself pushing on my cheek all day long trying to relieve the pressure. I sure wish a round of antibiotics would cure us! Jeannie
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Reply #11 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:53am

Jeannie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:43am:

Maybe more melatonin at night would help??

When I realized that this cycle was not a mirage, I stepped up my melatonin from 3mg to 6mg and now to 9mg. Been on 9 for about a week. Hmmm. I know E-Double said he's seen some studies that indicate up to 24mg. I'll have to chew on that one for awhile.

My immediate reaction is that when I wake up in the middle of the night after having taken 9mg, I feel drunk, and I stumble to the bathroom.

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Reply #12 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:09am

Melatonin and benadryl is a really effective cocktail for me. I step mine up in 1.5mg increments, and I notice a big difference. It could just be coincidence too. Monday nite I took 6mg and got hit every hour for 6 hours. Tuesday I upped it to 7.5mg and didn't get hit once.

When you wake up in the middle of the night with no pain, do you have the restlessness or anxiety associated with a hit?

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Jimi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't feed the moderators Posts: 4925 Madisonville, KY Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #13 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:09am Bill..........it has been 9 years since my last cycle but I wake up every 1 1/2 to 2 hours everynight. I am always awaken out of a dream so I know it is the REM. No ha's but I have not sleep thru a whole night for years. BTW, my last 2 cycles were much milder than the previous 30 years.
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Reply #14 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:48am

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:09am:

Melatonin and benadryl is a really effective cocktail for me. I step mine up in 1.5mg increments, and I notice a big difference. It could just be coincidence too. Monday nite I took 6mg and got hit every hour for 6 hours. Tuesday I upped it to 7.5mg and didn't get hit once.

When you wake up in the middle of the night with no pain, do you have the restlessness or anxiety associated with a hit?

You reminded me, B$ - I also take 25mg of Benadryl with it at bedtime.

No anxiety, but restlessness - I guess you could call it that. Just the feeling of not being able to get back to sleep right away. The feeling of focusing on every little thing that's out to keep me awake (too hot, too cold, etc.).

This has me thinking - maybe increase the Benadryl to 50mg.

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Reply #15 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:59am

Brew wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:28am:

Redd wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:16am:

the beast is trying to brew up trouble...

I like that. Wink

Guiseppi wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 10:19am:

No Brew haven't had that ride yet. Damned sorry to hear he's back, hope he's long gone by July, Christy can't wait to meet you guys.

Joe

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Aw.... I feel honored! I'm looking forward to meeting you too!

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #16 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 12:12pm Jimi wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 11:09am: BTW, my last 2 cycles were much milder than the previous 30 years. This is causing optimism to course through my veins.
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DennisM1045 CH.com Alumnus Offline One wave at a time! Posts: 3437 Haverhill, Massachusetts, USA Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #17 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:07pm Count me in on the wake ups too and I've never been one with consistent night time hits. I wake up even when Verapamil has the Genie firmly trapped in the bottle. I hope your cycle continiues to be a light one and ends quikly. -Dennis-
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Reply #18 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:27pm

Brew wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 8:23am:

I'm back in cycle again for a few weeks now. Started up the preventative meds (Sansert, lithium, melatonin at night). They're doing a great job keeping the pain at bay - averaging one or two shadows a day that are pretty easily killed with O2 and/or an energy drink.

But here's the weird thing - and this has never happened to me before. I am waking up 2-3 times per night like I was getting hit, but with no pain. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Better this way than the other way around. But I'm wondering if being in cycle can still cause the sleep disruptions even though I'm not feeling the pain.

Has this ever happened to you?

Yes, I've had entire cycles where I didn't have headaches, but woke up like clockwork. I usually get some symptoms on the affected side - swelling, or twitching eye, but sometimes just suddenly wide awake.

Are you remembering your dreams more?

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Reply #19 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:28pm

One of the signs that I'm approaching or passing through one of my "old" cycle windows is disrupted sleep. I begin waking up during each REM cycle throughout the night, even though there is no pain.

This year, as I've been approaching my cycle window in May/June, I've begun taking melatonin early. (I normally don't begin taking it until I go in cycle.) Only 3 mg. right now, but it seems to have suppressed the tendency to wake up during REM.

Although my cycles have gotten farther and farther apart over the years, I think whatever mechanism occurs with CH is still in play--it's just that the manifestation of it is more often subclinical, and doesn't rise above the threshold where pain begins.

Hope your cycle continues to be easier than normal, Bill, and that it is soon finished.

Best wishes,

George

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #20 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:32pm monty wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:27pm: Are you remembering your dreams more? Not any more or less than usual. I'd say I remember about 25% of my dreams to one extent or another. That's assuming I actually dream the other 75% of the time.
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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #21 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:36pm It's amazing to me how many things are related to CH that I didn't realize before. Sleeplessness, increased sense of smell, ect. Since joining this site, I have become so much more aware of what my body is telling me regarding CH. Jeannie
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monty CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 1056 The Swamp, Florida	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #22 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 1:50pm Just asking - I usually don't remember my dreams, but when in cycle, I often wake up in a dream with vivid recall. Being pain-free makes it easier to think about the dream and retain it.
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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: First time this has ever happened Reply #23 - Mar 19^th, 2009 at 2:33pm Bob P wrote on Mar 19^th, 2009 at 9:52am: It's been 3 years since my last bout. I still wake up EVERY night, EXACTLY 1 1/2 hours after going to bed. Just can't sleep through that REM. That's just your prostate, Bob
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