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Feb 9th, 2009 at 6:56pm
 
I'm currently relying strictly on imitrex injections to get me through the day, i'm working on o2 but its taking a little time, I used imitrex my last cycle and got through it just fine, but this cycle im getting hit up to 8 times a day i'm trying to section out the vial into 4 injections, but sometimes i go over the 2 reccomended vials per day, well only the last three days did that happen, so to my knowledge i've never had a rebound headache, but im starting to wonder if they feel the same as a cluster attack and i just dont know im getting them or if my cycle is really this bad. Im only getting a couple pf hours inbetween each attack.....has this happened to anyone else? And is a rebound headache just like a regular headache, or does it mimic a cluster?
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 7:39pm
 
I get rebounds from imitrex when I use it too much.  I used to use imitrex pills as a preventative.  They were free to me when I first realized what I had but before I got O2 and verapamil, and solid medical advice.  I was taking a pill each night before going to bed.  At first it was the most miraculous thing to ever happen to me.  No headaches at all!  I was amazed, and just figured I could keep down that path.  Unfortunately my cycles are long, and eventually I started getting hit in the afternoons, when I had previously only gotten hits from specific triggers during the day and nightly while sleeping.  They weren't as bad as the night time hights, but they weren't fun either.  I would then pop another imtitrext and soon I was in a cycle of taking way too much imitrex.  Not to mention when the free supply ran out I found out how ungodly expensive it is.  This seemed to be a trait, for me anyway, of the imitrex causing the shadows, and I try not to use too much of it now for that very reason.  I keep a couple of pills on hand for when O2 isn't an option, but it's not bad enough to warrant an injection, the injection for when everything else fails, and O2 for at home.  A safer and more reliable preventative like verapamil is probably a good idea, but if your cycles last only a couple of weeks it might not kick in quick enough, so I'd suggest a supply of oxygen.
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Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 
I don't get rebounds from im imitrex, but I rarely use it. Oxygen has been great as a front line abortive for me, leaving imitrex for just the rare hits 02 won't kill. Strongly encourage you to read the 02 link on the left and consider giving it a shot! Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 4:12am
 
Cristeena,

This is an interesting topic.  In order to discuss it properly it's important to understand the terms we use.  A rebound headache is essentially due to a buildup of resistance to the headache medication.  In other words, the headache sufferer needs to take more and more of the medication to achieve relief until he or she reaches or exceeds the maximum dosage.  At that point the headache returns faster and with greater intensity and this is called a rebound headache.

A lot of folks think this happens with oxygen therapy as there is a clear tendency for cluster headaches to occur more frequently after starting oxygen therapy as an abortive.  While this would appear to be a rebound, it's important to note that we've been addicted to oxygen since the egg and sperm that made us first met and before. It’s also important to note that we've clearly never really developed a resistance to oxygen or we would have assumed room temperature a long time ago.  The more proper term for this increase in cluster headache attacks when we first start using oxygen is a "re-attack."

I've had the opportunity to work with and collect abort data from a significant number of cluster headache sufferers who started using oxygen therapy for the first time or started using it at higher flow rates and have found they all tended to experienced an increase in the frequency of their cluster headache attacks for a week or two after starting this therapy.

While this would appear to be cause for concern and a possible reason to stop using oxygen therapy, I would also like to point out that this increase in the frequency of attacks reverses rapidly to a frequency lower than at the start of oxygen therapy in as little as the third week of continuous use of oxygen therapy.  

What is even more interesting is the severity and duration of these attacks starts to drop almost immediately after starting oxygen therapy so there is a very real favorable trade off with respect to risk and reward.

What happens with a re-attack, particularly when using oxygen therapy at higher flow rates is kind of interesting.  The use of oxygen therapy at higher flow rates when used properly and stated at the onset of the attack, generally results in faster aborts in much less time than at lower flow rates.  After all, that was the goal of using oxygen therapy. What we think happens when the abort times are short, on the order of 5 to 10 minutes, is that we've aborted the pain of the cluster headache attack, but not the triggering mechanism.  

When the physiological effects of the oxygen therapy wear off and the triggering mechanism is still present, the attack resumes and we have a re-attack.  Re-attacks tend to occur between 15 and 45 minutes after a successful abort with oxygen therapy as opposed to their regularly scheduled time that’s usually much longer between attacks.

We’ve also found that oxygen therapy abort times that equal or exceed 15 minutes in duration rarely result in a re-attack and that staying on oxygen but at a lower more relaxed flow rate after a successful abort in order to bring the total time on oxygen up to 15 minutes eliminates the incidence of re-attacks.

In short, you can get rebound headaches from imitrex, but you get re-attacks from oxygen therapy.  Hope this helps.

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Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 5:08am
 
I feel  a little uncertain about rebounds. The reason is this.
When I am at the peak of my cycle, I get hit 5,6,7,8 times a day.

During this time, I am using sumatriptan and O2 in high quantities. I have overused suma on occassion but try to moderate this by using  O2 more. What I find is that O2 keeps it at bay. For me a cycle is constant pain with the condition accelerating, decelerating, idling or flat out.

Before I was diagnosed and lived through the extreme levels of pain without anything other than hot towels, I don't remember the hits being any less frequent or that there was any significant difference in my cycles. Having said that, no two are the same.

I don't know how you tell what is a rebound because my hits come anytime and I am always living the judgement of when I use pain relief.

I am not saying this is the same for everybody and I agree that it is almost impossible to measure other people's pain perception against your own. This is my experience.

I hope you are getting by it a bit easier now and that pain relief and good fortune come you way.

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Reply #5 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:58am
 
The International Headache Society publishes it's criteria for all kinds of headaches, including medication overuse headache or "rebound" headache.
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Medication-overuse headache is an interaction between a therapeutic agent used excessively and a susceptible patient.


They speak specifically to overuse of different types of drugs including analgesics, opoids, triptans and ergots.

This is a handy document to download and keep around for many aspects of headaches.  You can find the "rebound" info on page 94, and the specific description of triptan rebound in section 8.2.2.

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Reply #6 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 10:29am
 
I think that what most people experience with trex is what Batch refers to as reoccurance headache, not rebound.  For me, using trex will jump my attacks from 2-3/day up to 8/day after just using the trex for a couple of days.  This is not enough time for my trex usage to create rebound headaches.

I think this phenomena of triptans causing more attacks is something other than rebound.
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Reply #7 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 11:56am
 
Medication overuse headache (MOH), or "rebound headache", is a common and disabling headache disorder that can DEVELOP AND PERSIST BY THE FREQUENT AND EXCESSIVE USE OF SYMPTOMATIC PAIN MEDICATIONS. Often these headaches begin early in the morning, and the location and severity of headache may change from day to day. People who have MOH may also have nausea, irritability, depression, or problems sleeping.

In susceptible individuals with a pre-existing episodic headache condition (most frequently migraine or tension-type headache), the frequent, near-daily use of simple analgesics (aspirin or paracetamol), combination analgesics (containing caffeine, codeine, or barbiturates), opioids, ergotamine, or triptans "transforms" the headache into one that occurs daily.

Characteristic features of MOH include the following:
1. the frequency of the headaches increases over time, without the patient being aware;
2. patient often wakes up in the early morning with a headache, even though this was not a feature of the original headache type;
3. some of the headache attacks may become nondescript – lacking features specific to migraine or tension-type headache;
4. the patient gets a headache more easily with stress or exertion;
5. greater doses of the medications are needed to alleviate the headache;
6. headaches occur within a predictable period after the last dose of medication, usually with reduced efficacy.

How much medication is too much?
The new 2004 International Headache Society (IHS) criteria guidelines2 state that MOH can be associated with the use of:


simple analgesics for 15 days or more, for more than 3 months

combination medications for 10 days or more, for more than 3 months

opioids for 10 days or more, for more than 3 months

ergotamine and triptans for more than 10 days per month, for more than 3 months

Frequent and regular use (ie. two or three times per week) is much more likely to cause MOH than taking medication in clusters of several treatment days separated by prolonged treatment-free intervals.

Caffeine is an ingredient in some headache medications. It may improve headaches initially, but daily intake of caffeine-containing medications, or caffeine-containing beverages, can result in greater headache frequency and severity. Stopping caffeine may actually make headaches worse, and some patients require professional help to overcome caffeine dependency.

As well, the new IHS criteria defines headache secondary to medication overuse as headache which has worsened in the face of 10 or more days of triptan use or 15 or more days of analgesic use. Headache must be present 15 or more days per month.

Treating MOH
Patients with CDH who overuse acute pain medications are advised to discontinue or taper the overused medication. There is the possibility of developing tolerance to the drug, and/or dependence. There is also the risk of developing liver, kidney and gastrointestinal disorders.

Most patients with MOH can be treated in the outpatient setting. Hospitalization is usually for patients overusing opioids, barbituates, or benzodiazepines, those with severe psychiatric comorbidities, or those who have failed previous withdrawal attempts as an outpatient.

Simple analgesics, ergotamines, triptans and most combination analgesics can be abruptly discontinued whereas opioids and barbituate-containing analgesics should be gradually tapered. Patients should be given a pain medication in a class they are not overusing, in limited doses, to help alleviate withdrawal symptoms, such as headache, nausea, vomiting, sleep disturbances, etc.). These symptoms typically last from 2 to 10 days.

The first step to treating MOH is to educate the patient about the role of medication overuse in the patient’s chronic daily headache. If there is comorbid depression and/or anxiety, it needs to be addressed at the same time. Biofeedback can be used to help the patient learn relaxation techniques, and lifestyle habits have to be modified. This can include decreasing caffeine consumption, increasing exercise, using stress management strategies, and improving sleep habits.

The goal of withdrawal is to get rid of daily or near-daily medication use and its associated symptoms, to restore an episodic pattern of headache, and to establish an effective treatment strategy including both preventive and acute medications. In patients with a long history of near-daily or daily headaches it may be more realistic to aim to reduce the intensity of daily pain, restore the patient’s ability to function, and to provide an effective strategy for acute management of severe headaches.

References:
1. Dowson AJ, Dodick DW, Limmroth V. Medication overuse headache in patients with primary headache disorders: epidemiology, management and pathogenesis. CNS Drugs 2003 (in press).
2. Headache Classification Subcommittee of the International Headache Society. The International classification of headache disorders, 2nd ed. Cephalalgia 2004;24(suppl 1):1-160.

Sources:
Gladstone J, Eross E, Dodick DW. Chronic daily headache: a rational approach to a challenging problem. Semin Neurol 2003;265-276.
American Family Physican - Rebound Headache.

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Reply #8 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 9:22pm
 
I went to a Headache Specialist today and he told me that imitrex can only give you rebound headaches if you use it too much for at the very least 3 months.

basically, he said you can only get rebounds after overusing it for 3+ months.


...I kind of gave him a strange look but he seemed certain.

where is he getting that information? and is this true?
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 5:40pm
 
Im a little confused trying to figure out the difference between a rebound and a reoccurance headache as it pertains to imitrex... but I certainly get them sooner than that from using just imitrex on a daily basis... it's not instant, but it's less than 3 months.  Maybe more like a couple of weeks.
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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 6:06pm
 
Rebound headaches. "Rebound Headaches--A Review", Au. John S. Warner, M.D., in HEADACHE QUARTERLY, 10:3(1999). (There is some confusion on the board about the meaning of "rebound". There appears to be an emerging consensus in the medical literature to define "rebound" as a headache which is caused by the overuse of any medication used to abort a headache or relieve pain. "Recurrence" [of a headache] is being used to refer to the redevelopment of an attack when its "normal" duration is longer than the useful life of the medication which has been taken. That is, the medication effectiveness is reducing before the headache has come to an end; the pain redevelops.)
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 7:22pm
 
So how much medicine does it take, and how long does it take, to create rebound headaches?
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:08pm
 
Without quoting books, articles or med publications. only my own synopsis.

Rebounds doesn't relate to Cluster Headaches (except for those who take all types of medicines daily). If you're taking 6 different prevents and abortives and seem to get headaches lasting forever than it is too much medication and it will give you a headache or another type of headache.

Clusterheades (unfortunately) do NOT fit the category of a typical headache or migraine. Cluster headaches (by design) are supposed to return several times a day throughout the cycle. If you take an abortive and your CH leaves as designed, then the CH returns later in the day, it is NOT a rebound. It is just another CH. Also stopping a CH from fully finishing what is is suppose to do (by design), then it will retun faster because you did not let the CH finish its' job. There is a malfunction somewhere in your brain causing this condition; and the brain is reacting to the malfunction to return to normal. For some it doesn't take as long, and for some it is not as painful, but it is still a reaction to a malfunction and needs to fix itself.

Don't know if any of that makes since. Just my take.
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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 10:33pm
 
You make sense but at the same time, for the past 3 weeks (and my last episode) I've been so afraid to take imitrex or any other abortive "too much" because I don't want rebound or to prolong my episode. I think I've probably used an abortive everyday (usually only once) for the past 3 weeks, excluding yesterday and today... (I think the verap is kicking in).

It seems like there is a lot of confusion on here about reoccuring headaches and rebound headaches... and i'm one thats confused =\ Huh
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 7:39am
 
I live with a happy mix of episodic CH, and almost constant migraine with an unhappy tri-migial nerve that gets the proverbial kicked out of it by both sorts of headaches.

This puts me at real risk of a rebound headache if I give in to desperation and try to numb the pain rather than control it.

IF my use of triptains and piggy back analgesics, anti emetics and NSAIDS is nudging up I know its time to call the headache clinic for help with rejigging the preventative drugs.

I keep an in-depth medication diary as much as I feel well enough to do  as that helps my neurologist work out if its the headaches behind the pain or the drugs causing extra problems.
This is also useful for me as it can give a small advance warning the nasty is shadowing about.

Its a flipping pain running a diary for drugs on op of headache diaries but it is worth it as I need those drugs to work when its very bad and the thought of having to follow BASH guidleines to tackle a rebound scared me so much I ended up not using enough of the other stuff. Embarrassed

If oxygen helps you - use it it does not cause a rebound.
I have been advised to have oxygen at home and only use the auto-injectors if the O2 fails or if I am at Uni or out.

The neurology clinic I attend have explained that in the case of CH the usual rules tend not to apply for some drugs BUT it is not wise to play with some of the drug combienations without having a medic oversee what your doing with them.

Having had friends who have dealt with rebound headaches- I think CH is still far worse but I for one do not fancy having to try dealing with that as well so I will keep working with the nice neurologist and headache clinic to get the best quality of life for the least amount of major drugs.

If you have a decent doctor and your use of triptains is concerning to you have a chat with them.

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Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:03am
 
my simplistic view is this, o2 like batch said we are all addicted too (go figuare) everything else is a simple matter of moderation and balance. it easy to fear an attck so much that at first sign or thought to run to the trex when it should probaly be the last thing and o2 being first and other abortive methods etc.
there is a huge difference in reoccurence and rebound, narcotic rebound ha's is a different animal. in my humble opinion
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