What is the general rule for using shrooms for CH when plagued with chronic depression or Bi-polar disorder. Does anyone here know of a persons experience in this regards.

I am sooooo f'ing tired of these horrid, nightmarish attacks.

with warm regards,
Tony

   "CH HELL" says it all!  Clusterbuster.com is your best bet for technical info on what drugs will interfer,  some block the effects and some will increase the effects.  But if you are worried about your own mental state,  well you need to use your best judgment.  If you want more detailed info you can pm me.
     Phil

What about the synergie formula.
That seems to work for some people.

Kudzu - 1000 mg, 2x per day (morning & night) 
Magnesium - 250 mg, 2x per day (morning & night) 
St. John's Wort - 300 mg, 2x per day (morning & night) 
Skullcap - 425 mg at bedtime 
Melatonin - 10 mg at bedtime 


When you have had a bit of sleep thats the time to read up on cluster busting.

If thoughts are prayers to help you, you've got mine.

Ellick.

Tony,
     I would recomend talking with as many ppl as you can who have
experiance with both.My own experiance is a lot like what's written
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Artonio, google Mycology or medicinal psilicybin, there is a lot of info regarding the treatment of depression using LSD and mushrooms.  Maybe you can treat two ilnesses with one stone, so to speak.  Also, if you can look into the different strains, again google.  Mushrooms are made up of three components (that cause the psychedelic affect) some are "happier" than others.  Try to find a strain that has the greatest happy component if at all possible.  Spores for the happy strain may be obtained on line.  Just a thought  See Erowids Vaults

Tony,

According to the book " Psychedelic medicine : New evidence for hallucinogenic substances as treatments" by Winkleman and Roberts ( which I got from Clusterbusters.com ), there are several issues concerning the use of psychedelics in people with depression and other mental illnesses.

LSD and psilocybin affect serotonin which in turns affect mood, sleep, hallucination and the processing of emotional and pain sensation. During the 1950-60s, when LSD was widely used to treat various mental illnesses, it was found to have accelerated psychotherapy which was beneficial in some cases. However, the majority of the studies was inconclusive. It was difficult to get a proper control group and true blind studies were not possible due to the fact that the effects of psychedelic too obvious. It was also found that treatment sessions were time consuming. Even low doses can have a profound psychoactive and behavioural effects lasting for many hours ( more than 5 hours ) during which the patients should be closely supervised and supported. I understand that the effective dosage for CH is often well below the trip level but when taken by someone with an active neurotransmitter imbalance, it is almost impossible to guage the effect.

It was found that psychedelics helped depressed patients becoming more aware and therefore able to recognize and explore the traumatic basis of their symptoms and conditions. This means that it is more helpful for someone who just starts to engage in depression treatment and/or psychotherapy. I do not know how helpful it would be for people who have already had extensive psychotherapy and who has already worked through the roots of their condition.

People may think that psychedelics help depression by simply elevating their moods and making them feel better, similarly to a traditional antidepressant. From what I have read, this is not so. Psychedelics seem to help with insight and self awareness, which along with psychotherapy helps depression long term, but in the short term may make the person becoming more acutely aware of their mental and emotional pain.

I can keep talking for ages here but I think I better stop. If you want to discuss this more with me please drop me a PM.

In short, if you are considering busting you should be supervised daily by someone experienced in both the use of psychedelics and the symptoms/signs of depression and bipolar, to be on the safe side.

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For a minute, excluding discussion of the sub-hallucinogenic treatment aspirations, there were occasions of agreement on the above.  I've excluded reference to depression, more of a adolescent searching feeling that something is bothering just beyond awareness.  At times also, a severe and self-unassuring aspect ensued coming down that can present difficulties.  There, a need presenting attention about depression also, among the unpredictable outcomes.   Shrooms inclusive, there can be an up and down wave, hilarity to silence and back throughout sometimes, with a reassuring background atmosphere better. 

I might prefer as a purpose the sub-hallucinogenic pursuit better, adhering with the stated cautions here, as a possibly understated CH treatment.

Tonykins,
I went off the antidepressants (Prozac back then) to use the treatment. I was a complete bitch for five days after treatment, noticing every single speck of dust (yes, that *is* possible).

At this point, I'm ready to do the treatment again, but not willing to go off the antidepressants. So, for me, the depression is more important to treat at the moment.

I recommend you talk with your doctor/psychiatrist about it.