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Jan 23rd, 2009 at 8:03pm
 
I was wondering how everyone deals with the effects of CH at the workplace.  I'm in the Army, and have been for 15 years, and my immediate supervisors have been extremely understanding.  But as this continues into the second month of this cycle, and the second cycle in a year, I can see them unhappy with the impact.  I'm also worried about my continued service in the Army.  Having to keep an O2 cylinder close by at all times severely limits my ability to fulfill certain military specific requirements, and limits the locations they can send me. And the many side effects of Topomax and other preventatives doesn't help in a job that requires the ability to deal with stressful situations and be able to make decisions quickly.   

Is there anyone else out there in the military suffering with CH?  If so I'd really like to find out how your dealing with it.
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Reply #1 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 11:52pm
 
Our illustrious leader, Deej, is in the military ... (Oh, wait ... he is not the REAL military ... He is Air Force ...) and there are several others, too.  I am just too old and senile to remember who they are ...

There are also several that are in law enforcement ... But Guiseppi doesn't count, cuz he is with the sheriff's department in CALIFORNIA ... and we all know how strange anyone from the left coast is ... And Jimi is retarded retired state trooper ... but from Kentucky ... <sigh>

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Reply #2 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:49am
 
Chuck was only just recently released from crayons and allowed pencils so ignore most of what he says.... Grin Grin Grin

If you haven't tried lithium yet as a prevent, it's what works for me. Once you get over the stigma of "lithium!!!!" It's best not to tell many people as they really weird out when they find you're on it.

I'm in law enforcement....as the strange one mentioned.......so I'm limited as to what I can use. At 1200 mg a day it blocks 70% or so of my attacks. On cycle I keep an E-Tank in my trunk while on duty. 10 minutes on the side of the road huffing away and I'm good to go again. Might be worth talking to your doc about it. Good luck.

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Reply #3 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:58am
 
can you imagine a platoon of Marines in high cycle.

the war would be over in three hours
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Reply #4 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 1:04pm
 
Difficult for me to imagine the problems of CH whilst working in the forces or the police.

I work in law and it's certainly affecting my work.

Trouble is I work for myself so I am only as good as my last piece of work.

If I can't work I don't get paid.

I guess whatever you do it has a negative impact on what you do and the way some people will see you.

On the good side, the support means such a lot.

Hope it works out for you.

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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 1:31pm
 
You didn't mention verapamil as a prevent--surely the most benign of the meds for this purpose.

Second thought: much depends on the doc you are working with. How much kowledge of CH?; flexible in trying new approaches?

Re. O2. You may consider trying zyprexa as an abortive for, being a pill with quick response time, may need the demands of your job situation. Print and discuss with your doc:

Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.

Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and two patients became headache-free after taking the drug. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.



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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:00pm
 
I was let go from the Navy because of these HA's. E5 with six years in about to take the E6 exam. I logged to many visits to the ER and doc's office, I guess they thought I was a risk also. I worked on big, expensive aircraft, and the thought of me having a debilitating HA in time of emergency didnt settle to well with the high ups. Hope this helps man.
If I could suggest anything, I would try to hide your condition and act like they dont happen anymore, everytiime they know about them they get logged, believe me.
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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 10:47pm
 
I used to work as an administrator of a municipality, responsible for everything from daycares, libraries, police, fire services, roads, sewers, landfill sites and catering to the needs of council members!...the combination of a 24/7/365 high stress job and CH was too much and I felt i was losing a grip when in cycle....locked myself in my office with orders for no one to be allowed in....it took its toll over the years.

I often dreamed of the perfect job where I called all the shots and only worked the 5 months or so I was in remission each summer...i finally started my own road construction company and I only operate it 5 months of the year...enough to make a very good living by working more productively and smarter than my competitors (that must work 9 months).

I have been able to deal with all that life throws at me in the cycle times when I do not have to think about work.
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Reply #8 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 11:09pm
 
I had an unusual military experience involving my HA's.

Let me preface this by explaining that I didn't know what type of headaches I was having until I was released, so a lack of education on the subject (both for me and my physicians) was a big part of my experience.

I had very aggressive CH's since I was 17, but after I graduated from highschool, they subsided for close to a year. At this time, I didn't understand the episodic nature of CH's, so I thought they were gone for good.

I started to get headaches again in boot camp, and by the time I was in "A" school, the HA's were going full speed ahead. I barely made it through school, and I was chewing up a large bottle of aspirin every day. I consulted the corpsman there, and was prescribed Motrin, the military's drug of choice for headaches.

After graduating , I ended up on a guided missile cruiser, stationed in San Diego. As an Operations Specialist (fancy word for radarman),  I worked for 6 hours on, 6 hours off for weeks at a time while at sea.

The HA's subsided for some time, but came back in full force. I spoke to the ships corpsman repeatedly, and again I was prescribed Motrin. Plenty of it.

To say the least, I had a very tough time contending with the 6 on, 6 off shift with my headaches. I was constantly fatigued, and in a lot of pain.

I consider myself a squared-away guy,  but in a military environment, in time my fatigue and constant pain was viewed as a weakness, as if I was attempting to get out of work.

I would sneak off at times to go into unmanned hatches where noisy equipment ran, just so I could deal with my pain privately.

As much as I loved the Navy, it was the worst time of my life.

At the time, my highest priority was to find out what was wrong with my brain. My younger sister had brain surgery at 16 for an aneurysm which was caught ahead of time. Her symptoms were somewhat similar, but accompanied by spells of dizziness. I wasn't taking any chances since vascular issues can be congenital.

Once back in port, I requested to see land-based medical staff. I told my story to a naval physician, and she agreed that we would get to the bottom of my 'migraine' headaches once and for all.

When I went back for my follow-up, she had been reassigned to another base. I tried to follow up with her replacement, but he prescribed Motrin again along with some migraine medications (I don't recall what they were).

Based in San Diego, I got an apartment in Mexico instead of living on the ship. (At the time, San Diego was the highest cost of living in the US, so it didn't make much sense to get an apartment there on military pay). I learned some Spanish, and spoke with some seedy physicians there. I was prescribed a synthetic amphetamine. This didn't do much for me either, but I kept taking it in hopes that the physicians knew a little more than their US counterparts.

I was out of options. I kept an open dialogue with my parents, who asked me to come home to Texas so that I could get proper assistance after several unsuccessful requests to my Navy captain to provide a CAT scan or MRI.

I went AWOL, and went back to Houston, where my parents paid for an MRI and CAT scan. Nothing showed up. I sent the MRI and CAT scan results to the USN so they could be added to my medical records. I explained to the USN and my captain about the drugs I had been prescribed in Mexico, and asked desperately for help.

I came back to San Diego, settled up with the Navy, and went back to living at my apartment in Mexico.

The Navy wouldn't give me an MRI or CAT scan per their former promises to me, my parents, or the captain of my ship.

Incidentally, there were some sailors caught with marijuana on the ship. There was a ship-wide drug test, and I was tested positive for amphetamines.

I was being processed out, and I was still experiencing CH's night and day. My goal at the time was to get medical leave from the Navy. My medical records were mysteriously lost by the land-based medical staff, so my argument no longer had a medical history for affirmation.

I was issued an "Other than Honorable" discharge for a "pattern of bad behavior", since my headaches had never been understood by my superiors.

After a bit of research and legal hassle (after my discharge), the medical records finally turned up.

It wasn't until months after my discharge that I discovered THIS site, which explained the exact symptoms I was experiencing. I was incredibly relieved, to the point that I couldn't exaggerate it if I tried to.

Today I work for a prominent company, and the "type of discharge" has never turned up, not that it would even be an issue at this point.

However, I will refute it for my peace of mind, and I hope that I can convince the military to change this someday.

Jwchestnut, I'd like to express, hopefully not at your expense, that I'm very happy that the US military seems to be recognizing your  cluster headaches at all.

The military, as well as many employers around the world, perceive headaches as a weak excuse, instead of a real affliction.












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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 2:39am
 
Recently, I began to think of telling people who I work with. A good friend persuaded me not to and a another good friend summed it up by saying once you tell people about it the playing field wont be level anymore.

On reflection I think it is excellent advice. I am now going to be really selective about who I tell and that is probably no-one who I work with.

If I have to say anything it will be something everyone knows and accepts, a lie basically because once you tell people something about you they haven't heard before and it's scary, thier perceptions of you change and later on when it counts theywon't support you or back you.

I'm lucky I can do that. Don't see how you can in the military. I agree with you Tyrannosaurus they will see it as weakness and unrealiability and will just want rid of you.

Glad you found here.

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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 6:20am
 
Ellick, I could not disagree with you more.  Of course I'm not in the millitary so my experience comes from the private sector in an engineering environment.

It was a very scary thing to open myself up about CH to coworkers.  But these people know me and know what I can do.  I'm a very good engineer and have some value.

When a bad cycle hits my productivity falls off.  Not as much now that I've got a prevent that works but it still affects some number of days a year.  If people don't know why then they'll begin to speculate about your desire, work ethic, abilities... Going it alone and silent only causes people to fill in the blanks in ways you may not care for.

After I opened up to those few I work closely with and began using O2 in my office, no one bats an eye at my "issues".  Sure, I got a few "I've had one of those" remarks.  But these people were just trying to relate.  They didn't truly understand (how could they?).  But they understood enough to put the disruptions in my work day into their proper context.  They knew I'd be back at my keyboard once I'd dealt with my head.  That I'd meet the project deadline or fix that critical customer problem.  I can be relied on.

I guess what it comes down to is, either your are seen as a valuable employee or you aren't.  If you are, then your CH is much more likely to be accepted/tollerated as part of the total package.  If not, then the condition just becomes a convenient hook on which your employer and disgruntled coworkers can hang their displeasure.

Now I'm not suggesting that you aren't good at what you do.  Far from it.  I'm simply saying that clusterheads just have to try harder and do more when they are PF to prove their worth.  It's just a fact of life.

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Reply #11 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 6:58am
 
Well not telling those that I work with is not an option.  Fot starters I work 12 hour days 4 days a week.  It's impossible to hide CH from your co-workers when your around them that much. Plus there's the ever present O2 bottle hanging around.  My soldiers and command are very understanding, but the likelyhood of a medical chapter or medical retirement seems more likely every day.  I'lll know more after the 10th of Feb.
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Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:03am
 
Hi Jwchestnut.

I served in the British Army for 12 years and started getting these bast*rd things about 4 years into my career. Fortunately they appeared with amazing regularity at the same time every year (one week after mid-summer day) and I was diagnosed very quickly by a navy neurologist. I was in a position where I could take annual leave whenever I chose and therefore always booked as much leave as I could in June/July.

This minimized my 'downtime' and I was also fortunate because I served in the Medical Corps, I always had fast and easy access to a whole range of medication and worked alongside some brilliant doctors who were sympathetic to my plight when I had to 'go for a long walk around the base'.

The only time it became an issue was when I was deployed to Cyprus for a 2 year tour; I found that heat and glaring sunlight were a trigger so I had a pretty miserable time of it. (Thank god I managed to avoid any time in Iraq).

I find that now I'm working back in civilian life, my bosses aren't so understanding. Especially now that the f**king thing now hits me in winter. The irony being that I moved to the north of Scotland to escape heat and sun....you gotta love the beast's sense of humor.

Anyway, all the best of British luck to you. I know how hard it can be when you absolutley, definately gotta be somewhere and Mr beast comes calling.

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Reply #13 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:11am
 
Dennis,

I fully accept your points but it does depend on your work environment.

I have told various people and I agree it is not easy to convey something like clusters. It is a frightening description. JW, I know you don't have a choice.

I do and my understanding of people is we change all the time and when we are up against it or feel resentful we can forget our tolerance and acceptance of others. Its in the news everyday.

I have my own business and have to work to deadlines. When I can't make those because I am being hit,  other  people have to cover for me. I am well respected and I am very good at what I do. I get good results and demand of my services is high all the time. BUT, I have to have a realistic approach and safeguard some of my ground.

I think that getting CH out there is best done by campaign and forums like this . When the public at large have knowledge of it it is easier to be open and informative and more crucially it helps to defend us against prejudice.

I am an honest person and I do not tell lies but sometimes things not said are better than opening your heart to people who in reality you would not know outside of your work and probably don't know much about their lives, thoughts and more importantly their views, ethics and ethos in life.

This is a pendulum argument and I feel as though I can see both sides of it. I am persuaded to to take the pragmatic option though.

As I said before, if we are going to have a playing field lets have it level.

Ellick.

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