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I fill My own E tanks
Oct 31^st, 2008 at 10:40pm

I am a huge fan of using 02 to abort. Chuck sharing his knowledge on all the terminology and how to use, is a gift to all in need. What I have to share is not as important and also NOT everyone could do this. But if this helps a few it would make my day.

I was cautioned by someone in his group when I stated"I self inject D.H.E." that it is dangerous to some. So I want to put out a big disclaimer here before I start. Without the proper approved equipment and knowledge what I'm about to say is dangerous.

I have 3- "T" tanks (these are the largest tanks you can get before you go to liquid) I keep one tank in the house (me safe place) the other two in the garage to be rotated in. Of the two tanks in the garage I have mounted on one approved transfer stainless flex line in which I fill my E tanks. I fill the first 3 tanks to 2000lb. then around 8 more tanks till I reach 1500lb. After that I will either top off with the other full tank or rotate it to the house. I was motivated to do this not to save money but not to run out of air. But after reading on what some of you pay of o2 this could save a few bucks and it's kinda nice not to run out of air in your E tanks. I have been doing this for at least 15 years. To get my T tanks filled with med 02 cost me less than 20 bucks a tank and I fill all my e tanks off of them. If you think this could be for you and you don't want to blow yourself or your home up contact a professional.....

heres to all of you that your tank does not run dry
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thebbz Ex Member	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #1 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 10:46pm Photos..? Very interested. Lets see that rig up. cool beans the bb
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TarHeel-blues CH.com Veteran Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 132 matthews nc Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #2 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 10:48pm wow 20 bucks for t-tank thats practically free sign me up how did you go about getting your t-tanks in the first place ? -jason-
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shark boy CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 27	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #3 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 11:17pm Photos....O.K. man you got me, I dont know how to post a photo but my kids do, I think I have a few pictures left on a role I will take a few and get one of them over here to help post.
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #4 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 11:17pm Quote: Photos..? Very interested. Lets see that rig up. cool beans the bb I'm with John. Show us pics. Potter
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MrsT CH.com Veteran Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 100 San Diego, CA Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 3:52pm Hi. Technical support husband here. Can you describe the fill manifold you made to go from the 540 T tank fitting to the E tank? I'm assuming any flex stainless rated to 3000+ psi will work in between, and the 540 fitting should be easily obtainable. Where did you get the E tank fitting? Thanks much, Husband of Mrs. T
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Re: I fill My own E tanks
Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 4:56pm

MrsT wrote on Nov 1^st, 2008 at 3:52pm:

Where did you get the E tank fitting?

My favorite supply catalog, failed me this time. Whenever I am looking for something like that, I go to McMaster-Carr. BUT, I couldn't find a CGA870 connector in it.

If I was to attempt this, I think I would buy a regulator, with a CGA870 connector (E, D type tank), and a DSS connector. The I would try it just like that with the manifold hose connected to the DSS fitting. If THAT didn't work, I would disassemble the regulator, and remove all the valves and stuff, on the interior, and then go with it, again with the manifold hose connected to the DSS outlet.

BTW, if anyone needs any CGA540 connector nipples and nuts, please let me know. I bought a bunch of them a while ago, when I needed to replace one of mine, and wanted to have spares. Now, in case anyone needed them, I have them.

Chuck

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Re: I fill My own E tanks
Reply #7 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 6:41pm

Yes, I tried McMaster Carr and Grainger to no avail. You did remind me hat I had saved a link for a 870 Yoke fitting:
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, if I want to do my own. I won't need the 540 fittings, as I'll use the welding regulator on the O2 tank and pipe to the 870.

I have thought of gutting the 870 8 LPM regulator, and may yet do that.

Thanks...Randy, husband of Mrs. T

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Jonny Ex Member	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #8 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 6:47pm Potter wrote on Oct 31^st, 2008 at 11:17pm: Quote: Photos..? Very interested. Lets see that rig up. cool beans the bb I'm with John. Show us pics. Potter Ditto.........show it!
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Racer1_NC CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline "Well, let's go see." Posts: 4417 Lewisville, NC Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #9 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 6:55pm Seems I remember someone (Batch?) coming up with something on this a while back.....I've seen the equipment in question somewhere before but didn't give it much thought as I wasn't interested in doing my own refilling.... B
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Reply #10 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 6:58pm

I took the pictures this mornig and spent most of the day getting them into the computer I think the problem was I was watching the race at the same time. Well their in and I'm going to wait for one of the girls to help me with the rest.

To answer a few questions, I did not make the transfer line mself, my distributor made it. It's very simple, it starts out with the female connector to the T tank then to a brass tee fitting a guage mounted on top and a stainless line to the E tank fitting, that's all their is to it.

I get all my regulators and med 02 from Praxair. The tubing and masks from a med supply store.

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thebbz Ex Member	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #11 - Nov 1^st, 2008 at 10:51pm Quote: Photos....O.K. man you got me, I dont know how to post a photo but my kids do, I think I have a few pictures left on a role I will take a few and get one of them over here to help post. Hell ,email them to me and I will post them thebbz@msn.com
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Re: I fill My own E tanks
Reply #13 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 1:17am

This is the premade tank fillup that is in this link:
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They want $144.99 for it. It would take several refills before it would be paid for, but looks like a decent deal.

Chuck

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DennisM1045 CH.com Alumnus Offline One wave at a time! Posts: 3437 Haverhill, Massachusetts, USA Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #14 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 7:51am How would you prevent a lot of stress on the fittings with this setup? An e-tank is a lot smaller than an m-tank. Do you have to hold the e-tank steady under one arm and work the valves with the other hand? I'd think a flexible hose would be more practical. Just my 2 cents... -Dennis-
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Reply #15 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 10:50am

Hot off the press!!! Thanks sharkboy.
I gotta get one of these.
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Thanks again sharkboy. These should answer your questions Dennis.
the bb Cool

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Reply #16 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 12:18pm

OK, I see the pictures, but I don't see how it could possibly work, the way the pictures show.
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After all, the pressure gauge is upside down. THEREFORE the big tank needs to be turned over, so the valve/gauge are on the floor, and the bottom of the tank is in the air.

THAT way, the oxygen just runs out, into the other tank. Right?

(Working VERY hard to keep a straight face)

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OK, let me try to be serious, for a second.

Obviously, the hose is better. but either way, it looks like you need something to set the "E" tank on top of. The exact semantics are workable, regardless of the setup you use.

I think it is a great idea.

I just wish there was a way to do it, without turning the big tank on its head ...

Chuck

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thebbz Ex Member	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #17 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 12:27pm Just rotate the photo Chuck. It's easier that way.
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DennisM1045 CH.com Alumnus Offline One wave at a time! Posts: 3437 Haverhill, Massachusetts, USA Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #18 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 1:35pm Ok, another dumb question (or two)... How do you accurately control the amount of O2 and the ultimate pressure in the e-tank? If you turn the valve on the big tank on won't the two equalize? Do you simply time it? -Dennis-
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Reply #19 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 10:11pm

Dennis, I open the valve on the E tank first then slowly open the T tank till the presure equalizes. When the T tank is full with 2000lb it takes about 20 seconds to slowly fill the E tank. The E tank will get warm to the touch. When the process is finished close both valves and slowly open the t handle on the E tank fitting to let the 02 escape thats traped between the two tanks, then continue taking off the fitting on your E tank and you have completed the process.

Shark Boy....

Hey, thanks bb for posting the pictures..

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Racer1_NC CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline "Well, let's go see." Posts: 4417 Lewisville, NC Gender:	Re: I fill My own E tanks Reply #20 - Nov 4^th, 2008 at 12:56am Ok...I KNEW I had seen something about this before.... Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or Transfillers and adapters for all sorts of different tank connections. I believe there is even one there to adapt a welders tank to a medical regulator. B
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Reply #21 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 5:10pm

Racer1_NC wrote on Nov 4^th, 2008 at 12:56am:

Ok...I KNEW I had seen something about this before....

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Transfillers and adapters for all sorts of different tank connections. I believe there is even one there to adapt a welders tank to a medical regulator.

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And I thank you for the link! I leaving now to pick up a T tank.

I just ordered a transfill hose kit from him today. Paul, the owner, is a nice guy to deal with. I went CGA540 to CGA540 to fit my home tank and the rented T size welding tank. I already have a CGA540 regulator with a gauge, so I ordered this one:

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I also ordered some CGA540 to CGA870 adaptors like this so I can fill small tanks too.

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I may end up with a spare adaptor or two like the one above, if someone needs one..............

Marc

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Reply #22 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 5:28pm

Hi, Marc. Seems like their TR-875 is the quickest, all-in-one solution. Others run $125 and up. My husband just talked with Airgas people, and adapters can easily be found (and cheap). Of course, the flex hose is the problem, and they were no help. So we just may get the TR-875.

I'm currently using 80 CF welder's cylinders, so it wouldn't fill more than one or two E tanks at the most. H tank is on its way, so I'm hoping it'll fill at least 3 E tanks (3 is all I got anyway!).

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Reply #23 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 6:16pm

MrsT wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 5:28pm:

Hi, Marc. Seems like their TR-875 is the quickest, all-in-one solution. Others run $125 and up. My husband just talked with Airgas people, and adapters can easily be found (and cheap). Of course, the flex hose is the problem, and they were no help. So we just may get the TR-875. That's why I went the adaptor route.

I'm currently using 80 CF welder's cylinders, so it wouldn't fill more than one or two E tanks at the most. H tank is on its way, so I'm hoping it'll fill at least 3 E tanks (3 is all I got anyway!).

Yup, the TR-875 is perfect - except that I need to fill tanks with both type of fittings. I actually do have E tanks with CGA540 fittings/gauges/valves. Plus now I can get a smaller tank to go under the seat of my pickup.

When you place the order online, Paul will send you an email asking if could possibly send a check to help reduce his costs. I ordered mine today and he shiiped it. My check goes in the mail in morning.

I searched around for the hose, but the cheapest I could find (with a 3000 psi O2 rating) was $60. so I bought Paul's kit.

I just got home with my T tank - ahhhhh......no more running out! Refills are $18.75 here in my small town. I was paying $14. for an E tank refill through my medical gas supplier.

If I recall, a T tank is about 300 cu ft which is in the range of a dozen or so E tanks. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

As SharkBoy pointed out, you will get increasingly less high pressure fills of the smaller tanks as the big tank gets used, but my CG540 regulator fits right on the T tank. Good to the last ounce...........

Marc

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Reply #24 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 6:56pm

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I actually do have E tanks with CGA540 fittings/gauges/valves. Plus now I can get a smaller tank to go under the seat of my pickup.

Funny you mention that......my husband was wondering whether he could put a CGA540 fitting on the E tank or buy a 20 CCF cylinder with 540. 540 to 540 makes it easier.

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I searched around for the hose, but the cheapest I could find (with a 3000 psi O2 rating) was $60. so I bought Paul's kit.

Yikes. Thanks, I'll tell my husband not to waste time looking for a cheap hose.

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I just got home with my T tank - ahhhhh......no more running out! Refills are $18.75 here in my small town. I was paying $14. for an E tank refill through my medical gas supplier.

If I recall, a T tank is about 300 cu ft which is in the range of a dozen or so E tanks. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

Not sure if it's a CA thing (I'm sure it is)......O2 ain't cheap here! 80 CCF is somewhere between $25 and $35. And once labeled "medical", the price jumps 5x.

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