I tool each individual dose with an hour inbetween to see how I felt. The magnesium always caused me to start shadowing. I felt the skullcap was making it harder to wake up with the night hits, in turn making them harder to get rid of.

JOHN

Good luck thoughts are heading your way! We're rooting for you!! Please keep us updated. We can't wait for another success story.
Cyndi and Lorne

hayduke wrote on Sep 26^th, 2008 at 5:36am:

Yes, this is true.  But they are very mild HA's that can be cured with a large cup of coffee.

Hi all,

I bought all the ingredients and I am going to start today.  I am excited!  I will keep you all posted.  I usually get at least two headaches a day.

~ Michele in Georgia

P.S. who all smokes in the group?

Hi all.

Glad to hear of painless days.

The herbs mentioned here kilowatt, are not really anything new in clusterheads pursuits of relief.
Possibly the combined herbs as mentioned here have value beyond just Kudzu extracts and melatonin. Much ado has been made of these 2 items over recent years and many have found them to be a wonderfull addition to their tool chest. I dont discount there value to some.

After 107 postings on this thread only 3 say the results are good in removing CH. (wich is better than none)
2 people have said that an initial lessening of symptoms occured only to return. This happens for many C heads any time meds are changed up.

I and I'm sure others would like to see a description of the headaches, frequencies, intensities, how long the cycle etc.. This could help to provide a better understanding as to the benefit of your methods vs. because I stuck a bunch of stuff together and now I dont have a headache

It is not uncommon for a suspected cycle to begin and then vanish for some.
I am not discounting anything though its curious that all of you showed up at the same time. It is cause for thought. (no I'm not running for president)

I would hope that soon a known long timer would be able and willing to test this out. I would be willing were I sufferering.

I truly hope you have found something that will benefit many. If only one is helped though its worth it.

Sincerely

Glad those helped and thank God for the combined knowledge of cluserheads brought to these boards.  Kudzu, Melatonin, Magnesium have been advocated here for years.  The initial excitement of kudzu seems to have died off, a few years back that's all people could talk about.   Now it's seeds.  After trying those, which actually helped in that I could catch almost every hit with O2- but did not kill my cycle, and then a miserable three days of pred-  I combined kudzu, magnesium/calcium and nightly melatonin with B2 and some taurine at bedtime.  Things have gone well.  Cycle seems to be over after 3.5 weeks.  Hopefully there won't be another for a while.

MJ wrote on Oct 8^th, 2008 at 10:19pm:

MJ,

Thank you for contributing to the discussion.

I do not claim that the herbs & supplements are anything new.  If you read my posts on the topic, you would see that most of the ingredients are included precisely BECAUSE I read that they have proven helpful to others.  I do believe that the particular combination I'm using, along with the dosing schedule, has been extraordinarily effective.  

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I'm glad you don't discount their value to some - I'm quite sure that those who have been helped by them don't discount them, either.

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I don't know what significance the number of postings is supposed to have, since most of them have nothing whatsoever to do with the mix.  There's also some pertinent info in postings on a couple of other threads, as well as my PM and e-mail mailboxes.

I am now aware of nine people who have tried it.  Of these:

5 reported that their cycles were completely broken.  Most within a week; all within 12 days.

2 others reported that the mix helped them significantly.  One saying he had the "lightest and hopefully shortest" cycle ever.  The other said he's staying on it because it "dampens the pain and lessens the amount of CH's."

Of the other two, one tried it once, had a bad night, and quit.
The other reports that after a couple of days, it has cut her number of attacks in half.  It's too early to tell the ultimate outcome for her.

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I am trying to post as much of value here as I can, but I don't have a whole lot of free time.  I am also trying to encourage the others to post their stories, but many just don't choose to.  I would like to post a much more exhaustive analysis of data pertaining to the mix, but I'm not able to, yet.  Besides, frankly, "I stuck a bunch of stuff together and now I don't have a headache" works fine for me, actually.  

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It's damned uncommon for me, and none of the other eight folks ever said they'd had it happen, either.
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Your innuendo is uncalled for, and it's offensive.  It's also untrue.  While several of the active posters on the thread are brand new, I "showed up" a year ago.  TJ's been a member since early 2006, and Rocky's been around since 2004.
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I would hope so, too.  I think that John (thebbz) will give it an objective try if he's heading back into cycle (which it sounds like), and George has said he plans to try it next time around, although he does not anticipate a cycle until springtime.  The majority of the "long timers", though, seem content to take their Verapamil, stick themselves with Imitrex, and suck on oxygen.  Hey, whatever works - but I prefer my way.
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I have, and it is.

Regards,
Jim

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  I got the ingredients the other day. Last night and the night before was a biotch. Still nothing above a 5. Caffeine in the day and 02 at night. I took 3 days to detox from the RC seeds.Yesterday was the first dose, exactly as described. Nothing yet. Most responses indicate quick results, so I intend on doing this for a week, unless all hell breaks loose. In which case I will do push-ups
  I really wanted to try this as I am already detoxed and the body metabolizes these things quickly. I think that this will be like all the rest, works for some but not others. We shall see. Another beater in the tool box.
This CH thing really sucks. One step ahead of the demon. Considering all things, the alternatives and perhaps this as well ,will be better than the intense and crippling episodes of the past. The pharmacuticals are as bad as the CH in my opinion. I still have them ready though, any port in a storm.
I'm still a big alternative believer. There's a reason I'm not having anything above a 5....02,02,02
the bb

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Hello John,

It sounded like you were headed back into cycle, but I wasn't really sure if you'd actually been hit yet.  Guess you answered that!  

Hope you'll have good luck with the combo.  I appreciate you're trying it out with an open mind.  I'm sure you're right about "works for some but not others", but so far we've got a very good "Some" to "Others" ratio!  Best of luck, and please stay in touch!

Regards,
Jim

gsockrider wrote on Oct 15^th, 2008 at 5:59pm:

Hello Guy!

Hadn't heard from you in a while, so I wasn't sure if you had tried the mix.  Great to hear that you did, and it's helping!  I bet you'll have the Beast whipped in another few days  .
Please stay in touch and keep posting to let us know how you're doing!

All the best,
Jim

Another headache free night last night, happy to report. Woo hoo.....feel like a new person when I get to sleep all night!

Will keep reporting.

Michele

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John,

Uh-oh!

Sounded like the melatonin might have been an issue for Malcom, too.  Maybe you guys should leave the melatonin out, or at least back off of it a little (or a lot!).  Couldn't help but notice, too, that TJ has had limited success, and he's taking a massive 27 mg. daily dose of melatonin.  May be some connection there (?).

I've been questioning whether the 10 mg. might be way more than necessary, particularly after reading one study where they found that the optimal melatonin dosage (for helping with sleep) is 0.3 mg., and that larger doses are actually less effective.  I can't cite the specifics of the survey, 'cause I don't recall exactly where I saw it, but I do remember that it was a reputable source.  Dunno if the mechanism whereby melatonin helps us sleep is the same one that helps with CH, but if so, less may be better (?).

Anyway, hope you'll be able to stay with the program, but couldn't blame you if you didn't.  Thanks for the update.

Good luck, and stay in touch!

Regards,
Jim

shelticon2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 2:05pm:

Hi Jim,

RC seeds are Rivea Corymbosa - a wild morning glory.  Also known as Ololuiqui (sp?) to the Indians in Central & South America.  They contain Lysergic Acid Amide; a milder relative of LSD.  A lot of folks have reported good success with RC seeds as a preventative, and others have said it works as an abortive, too.  Personally, I've kind of avoided them for a couple of reasons, but mostly legal.  They're legal to possess, but not to swallow!  

RC grows wild all over the place around here in Southwest Louisiana and East Texas.

Regards,
Jim