Thanks, Jim.....  You noticed I quoted you with the 'stomp him'...

Take care and love to you and Sue.

Jackie

Bobw.
Thanks for a very interesting post. I notice that all you are trying to do is help fellow clusterheads by sharing what you have found to be an effective treatment.

Unlike some in our community I don’t give a damn whether the legislators deem a medication legal or illegal. If there is a possibility that it can relive our suffering I will obtain it and trial it.

Guys we suffer from the worst pain the human body can endure, other humans when reaching levels of pain far below what we experience will pass out, or in some cases die from shock, one of the peculiarities of our condition is that we can do neither. In fact one danger of being a clusterhead is on the operating table; The beast will wake you up whilst anesthetised. Imagine waking to a Kip 10 during a kidney transplant, on second thoughts don’t.

And despite this some of you are against trying what could be an effective treatment, because it’s illegal in your country?

What is illegal is the misuse of certain medication (Drugs) this is for the protection of those who would abuse these, and those who would be affected adversely by substance abusers.
What I find strange is that when a medication is deemed illegal, due to misuse, the ban is draconian in that it also affects usage as a genuine medicine in the treatment of ailments. Look at the furore surrounding the trails of medicinal marijuana.
This means that drugs which help to alleviate certain conditions are dismissed out of hand because they fall into the illegal category, thank God Morphine was used as a legitimate pain killer, before it was abused or else that may have been banned too.

Well Clusterbuddies this is one guy who is not going to let the ignorance of blind judiciary stop me from dealing with the beast.
Bobw is not advocating Muti medicine or human sacrifice, just trying certain meds which have been stigmatised by a few weak minded idiots misusing them.

My experience; I have tried mushrooms (we call them magic mushrooms) and  LSD (under medical supervision), and Bobw I am one of those it failed. In desperation, and for a last attempt I stupidly  took 6 acid tabs, I started with the green glowing outlines, went very trippy happy had an attack and  hit my kip 10. The beast asked me what did I think I was doing and gave me a damned good kicking. I was just left with the after effects, which were similar to whiz, so no sleep afterwards which I found rather irksome. So endeth another trail…….

bobp
Only at the end.
My trail was supervised; I may be crazy, but i'm not insane.....Yet.

Yikes!  Is this true that Clusters break through anesthesia?  I hadn't heard about that!

chrisw wrote on May 13^th, 2009 at 10:59pm:


Yes, and it's also good to hear from those that weren't successful, as thats how we can learn.
The more we learn, the higher we hope to get the success rate.

Sorry it didn't work for you Christine and Dr.Mike. Thank you for your contributions.

As our research expands, hopefully we'll come up with some new alternatives. Maybe even something for BobP


Bob

Sorry to go a little off topic here. (maybe a new thread is needed).

One of the problems about CH and anesthesia is that when we do wake during an op' the doctors do not know what the hell is happening, they take our pain fueled thrashing as a seizure caused by an  anaesthetic problem. So unfortunately these incidents do not get logged as CH, and it's a bit difficult telling them when you are dead.
When going in for surgery we need to declare this condition and warn the operating team of the possible occurrences. As we can predict our attacks surgery can be scheduled between these.
MIke

Brew wrote on May 16^th, 2009 at 3:01pm:


yeah i'm the same way. my attacks don't follow any kind of schedule though some of us do. ive never had an attack break through while busting though. perhaps in the future busting will become legal and can be used along with anesthesia.

I haven't tried yet the method but another sufferer from Poland who I told about this method tried Morning Glory seeds so far 2 weeks painfree, so another one to stand up and be counted.

EDITED BY MattyAA:

Actually it was product called Druid Fantasy, capsules that contain Morning Glory, Magnesium, Taurine to be precise, he took first 2 capsules (recreational dose is 6 capsules) 1 capsule at begining and second 1 hour after, his hits from 1.5 per day turned into 1 per two days and the pain level was lower, after 5 days (Since he used tips from cluster busters) he dosed 4 2 at time then 1 hour later 2 another, this time he felt nausea and a bit heavy as he described, but his hits stopped from occuring, he did trigger test and nothing happened, he will soon make an account here and say his story hopefuly, as I asked him, I will try also together with him to make this method more popular in Poland, but for that we need to translate articles and for that we need agreement from all doctors and Bob Wold and others who contributed to the case.

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Hello everybody. I'm new here. I'm 39 years old. I have been episodic for 12 years. It's me that Mattyaa wrote about.
Yes, count me.
The period lasted 8 weeks, average 1.5 attacks / day, average kip 7. It was longer than before so I decided to try something different. My choice was RC seeds (or HBWR seeds) but these are unavailable in Poland. The only legal choice was Druid Fantasy containing LSA. It is legal for collecting purposes.
First dose (2 capsules) caused none psychedelic effects, the only effect was reduction of pain to 0.5 attacks / day kip 2.
Second dose after 5 days (4 capsules) and again no psychedelic effects with some nausea and heaviness. But the best is that I've been pain free for 3 weeks. And there is still no pain at all.
Bless the day I've found clusterbusters.

Sandy_C wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 2:44pm:
Wow!  I guess I can tone it down a bit.  I've been eating around 60 seeds every month as maintenance.  I guess I can try cutting it back a bit,  .  Once I hit mid August, i'll be exactly 1 year pain free.  Without rc seeds, I was good to have about 2 cycles per year lasting anywhere from 2-7 weeks each.  These seeds are my savior up to this point.  I keep shrooms in the freezer as back up.

Like Sandy said, I had a little
tickle the other week and busted that night and nothing has happened since.

I guess I just do too much in quantity.  The nausea is worth being PF.  I'm going to cut back to 25 or less each month.

No doubt its a war we have been through.
Good to see the beastly crowd on the run. Its too bad he had to be mangled like that to realize the beast wont allways win.

Nice writing Kevin, had to read it twice before I was sure you werent doing big hits of LSD or...   

I bet the beast battlers will be shooting off fireworks there by Cobo Hall in celebration soon along the Detroit River. (is that still there ?)

I am now over one month pf!!  This is the longest I have gone without getting hit.  I do not consider myself chronic anymore.  I now go about life without thinking of the beast and when he might show up.