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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Back Again after 3 PF years...Lessons Learned? http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1485477368 Message started by Bug on Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:36pm |
Title: Back Again after 3 PF years...Lessons Learned? Post by Bug on Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:36pm
I last visited ch.com 3 years ago (Jan. 2014) when I became a member. After ~3 PF years the dance is beginning again….
I’m 63.5 yrs old now. Had my 1st ever ~3 month episodic attack during late Dec. 2009-late Mar 2010, so I’m one of those rare late-in-life starting CH sufferers. Took me a while to figure out what was wrong, like many at first I was absolutely convinced I had some kind of weird sinus infection (I’m a left-sider). After many GP and eye/ear/nose/throat doctor visits and CT scans I was getting angry at always hearing “there is nothing wrong we can find regards your sinuses”. I credit my wife with finding a CH ‘quiz’ on another medical site and when I realized all my answers were “Yes!” then at least I felt I knew what I was up against. I had not found this site at that time, so just muddled through the attacks until they tapered off and quit in late March 2010. Then I had ~4 great PF years. I had retired from work in Sep. 2012 and started a consulting gig at the same time. In late Dec. 2013 I felt weak shadows coming back (uh-oh) that got worse in Jan. 2014. My 2nd episodic attack again lasted ~3 months from early Jan. through end of Mar. 2014. But I had found this website (and Batch’s D3 regimen), and started taking D3 in early Feb. 2014. Unfortunately there was no measurable relief from the D3 regimen I undertook and again the attacks finally ran their course and ended in late Mar. 2014. At least I had discovered O2 this time around (and had a PCP that was willing to write a prescription for it), and it helped a lot with much of the pain. Unfortunately by the end of Feb. 2014 the lack of sleep from multiple night and day attacks made me very unfocused at work and I had to quit my consulting job. Then I had another ~3 great PF years until a couple of weeks ago when I started failing the ‘beer test’ and knew my luck had run its course. When I had my 2014 (2nd) episodic attack, the engineer in me thought that if I kept a detailed record of my attack severity and frequency then it might yield some trend information I could use to minimize the pain and episode length. So I started recording all of my attacks (attached). My unscientific (and largely unproven) conclusions from 2014 are as follows: 1. When I looked at all the points plotted, they looked like just that – a bunch of dots on a page with little rhyme or reason. I could not drawn any definitive conclusions on the effectiveness of the D3 regimen, other than it MIGHT have started being effective in the beginning of Mar 2014. 2. I don’t think I was taking enough D3 early on (in Jan and Feb 2014). My baseline 25(OH)D was very low (13 ng/mL). I started at 10,000 IU/day D3, and did a couple of one-off 50,000 IU and 40,000 IU loading doses during the episode, but mainly was taking 10,000 IU/day. I am one of those people that hate to take ANY kind of medicine, so just going on the D3 regimen was a big deal for me, and in hindsight I should have questioned at the time if 10,000 IU/day was really enough to get me back to normal levels in a ~2 month period. • Now (Jan. 2017) I am on Batch’s updated (5 April 2016) anti-inflammatory regimen and have just finished 1 week of the 50,000 IU/day and will be doing the 40,000 IU/day for the next week. 3. O2 helped my pain most (but not all) of the time. I think my problem was that I was still ‘learning’ how to properly hyperventilate the O2 to maximum benefit. 4. Like others, I have some specific CH triggers (alcohol, sugar from candy, MSG?), but I am still learning what all my possible triggers might be. All of the data I collected from my 2014 episode might have made more sense if I had also kept a record of what exactly I ate each day. That is a lot of work but this time I am going to try to keep better records. 5. In 2014 I didn’t try Benadryl; I will be trying it this year if the D3 regimen remains ineffective. I hope I can soon report back that I’m PF again. I am more confident this year that I’m combating the problem better than I did in 2014. http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=CH2014.pdf (216 KB | 5
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Title: Re: Back Again after 3 PF years...Lessons Learned? Post by Bug on Jan 27th, 2017 at 6:36pm
As always, many thanks Batch for the reply and advice. I do tend to not drink as much water daily as I should, so I'll jump all over that now.
When I wrote the post I was on Day 7 of the 50k IU/day, and preparing for the week at 40k IU/day. I had been having 1 to 2 attacks a night (5 kip?) but on Wed. 25 Jan. I really got hammered with 4-5 attacks that night/early Thurs. morning getting in the 7-8 kip range. Lo and behold, on Thurs. night 26 Jan. I had zero/zilch/nada attacks. What a joy to sleep normally through the night! I may have been having an allergic reaction earlier this week but I also think that my D3 level before starting the regimen this year probably was just severely depleted. I am hoping that the 1 week of 50k IU/day brought my 25(OH)D level to the tipping point. "Rapid degranulation of mast cells" - wow you have done some fantastic research, I am impressed. If my attack-free night turns out to be an outlier I will certainly be trying Benadryl. But I am cautiously optimistic that I may have turned a corner and will know more after the week of 40k IU/day treatment. |
Title: Re: Back Again after 3 PF years...Lessons Learned? Post by Batch on Jan 27th, 2017 at 9:32pm
Hey Bug,
Thanks for the update... I like the positive trajectory... Hang tough and stick with the loading schedule as you've good indications you're near the tipping point. If you follow my epistle on histamine, you'll see there's a logical reason to say the circular CGRP - Histamine chain reaction likely takes place without being triggered by an allergic reaction. Mast cell degranulation and release of histamine triggerd by CGRP could easily explain the rapid spike in pain level during most CH. Take care and please keep us posted. V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: Back Again after 3 PF years...Lessons Learned? Post by anubis44 on Feb 9th, 2017 at 11:02am
Batch! This is all excellent information in this thread! I just posted to your main thread about having an allergic reaction which restarted my CHs, and I had been positing that >>something<< can trigger the histamine response without an outside allergen being present, and here you have already addressed this! You're amazing!
"...you'll see there's a logical reason to say the circular CGRP - Histamine chain reaction likely takes place without being triggered by an allergic reaction. Mast cell degranulation and release of histamine triggered by CGRP could easily explain the rapid spike in pain level during most CH." Thank you once again for all your research and hard work on CH! I'm going to study the CGRP chain reaction in as much detail as I can! The next question I want answered is, in the absence of an allergen as the trigger, why does the Mast cell degranulation happen essentially on the circadian rhythm during a CH cycle? Why does this happen approximately every 12 or 24 hours?! |
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