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Message started by Tim in Texas on Nov 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm

Title: O2 Question
Post by Tim in Texas on Nov 19th, 2012 at 5:34pm
Hey everybody, I'm new here but not new to CH's. For years and years I had been to the Doctors who were puzzled by my headaches. I actually gave up on finding relief for them. When I read on here about O2. Relieving them, I got excited. However, I was talking to my Boss (who also gets CH's) and he claimed that it did nothing for him. So I wanted to do some more reasearch from people who know. How does high concentrations of O2 alleviate the pain. I would mainly use to for the monsters that come at night. I rarely get the bad ones during the day, but from time to time I do get them. Its mainly shadowing during the day. My question is for the people who use O2. What do you have yours set to? How long do you use it? Does it work on hangovers and shadows? Price? I know there are probably a lot of threads here, but I'm on my phone atm and some areas of this site gives me problems.

Title: Re: O2 Question
Post by CH Keith on Nov 19th, 2012 at 6:50pm
I get a machine with a 15 ml flow.  Some places won't give you a regulator to that point without the perscription calling for it.  There are other ways to get it without perscription, but I'm not familiar with it.  I've always gone through my Neuro and a local distributor.  My insurance use to cover it, but now it costs about $20 a month.

I find that it works best with actual attacks and I haven't had as much luck with the shadows, but I usually don't have the oxygen until things start getting bad, since I have a long remission period.

You'll get lots of great advice on O2.  Just keep checking.

Title: Re: O2 Question
Post by Tim in Texas on Nov 19th, 2012 at 9:36pm
Thank you. All of you.as I mentioned in other posts, I'm so glad I found this site. For almost 15 years I didn't even have anyone to talk to about these. Well, nobody that actually understood. Even my family didn't understand. They tried their best to be supportive and sympathetic but only people who gets these can truly understand what we deal with at night(s).I have had more support and understanding today than I have had in all of the years that I have suffered with them. TBH, I was not much a believer of support groups in the past, but I am a strong believer in them now. Thanks guys!......and gals!

Title: Re: O2 Question
Post by ClusterHK on Nov 20th, 2012 at 6:38am
My understanding of how O2 works is that when the brain thinks that it's getting waaaay too much oxygen, it responds by constricting the blood vessels. Since a cluster headache is caused by a swollen blood vessel putting pressure on the trigeminal nerve, this effectively aborts the attack.

(More accurately, it's the lack of CO2 in the bloodstream that causes the constriction, but you get the general idea. There's also other mechanisms at work which I won't go into, unless you want me to of course.)

For oxygen to work, you need to supply the brain with waaaay too much of it. And that's why you need to ensure:
  • The oxygen is as close to 100% pure as you can get.
  • The flow rate is sufficient - 15 litres per minute is good, 25 is even better.
  • The mask or equipment you use doesn't allow the oxygen to get diluted with air. Use a non-rebreating mask, or stick the whole pipe into your mouth and breath out through your nose.

The flow rate + purity + non-rebreathing mask is considered too extreme by many hospitals and doctors who have never encountered CH before and it's possible that they will consider you a lunatic if you ask for it (as indeed happened to me).

Where I am, the purest oxygen I can get is 93% and I can only get up to 15 lpm for the valve. With a non rebreathing mask, I can abort a Kip 8 in about 10 minutes, but may require two attempts at 15 minutes each to abort a Kip 10.

Oh, keep breathing the O2 for 5 minutes after the pain goes away to make sure the attack stays aborted. You can turn down the flow rate at that point if you like.

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