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Message started by KMckellepp on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:38pm

Title: Hi Everyone
Post by KMckellepp on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:38pm
Hello,
I am new to this site. I am hoping I can get some helpful information here. But first I will give you info about me.
           A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

I was dx by a neurologist back in 1999. The only other medical condition I have is what they call Blebs Disease. More or less my lungs like to collapse.

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

Back in 1999 my regular MD had me on all sorts of junk.. blood pressure meds, imitrex pills and nasal spray. None of which worked for me. So once I saw the neuro doctor they put me on lithum, O2 and imitrex injections. Within 3 weeks of being on those my cluster headaches went away till about a month and a half ago.

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

no I  have not. But am more then willing to if people have suggestions.

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

Well first of all I am paranoid. I am always scared of getting one. Not only that I never know to what degree my headache will be. I feel like people(friends, family and coworkers) truely do not understand how painful these are. It scares my children to see there mom using the oxygen and my partners says he feels like he is with an 80 year old woman.. (I am 38 yrs old). I have to worry about getting a headache if we are out with our friends. I did a weekend get away with my partner and didn't want to haul the O2 tanks and I suffered all weekend. I feel bad complaining since I had a wonderful 12 yr remission from these. But I am truely fustrated right now. I went to my doctor today and he gave me orders for O2 and imitrex injections again and then scheduled me to see the neuro doctor again next week. He wasn't comfortable prescribing me the lithum.



KMckellepp
St. Paul, MN




Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by Bob Johnson on Sep 5th, 2012 at 3:12pm
Welcome!

Print the PDF file, below, and use to discuss options with the neuro. As you can see from this document, Verapamil would be you first choice as a preventive med. Lithium much less useful for most Cluster folks.

To accompany the material on Veapamil, give the doc:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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Imitrex injection form--not pill--is first rate; nasal spray works for some but a weak 2nd choice.
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If you are satisfied that your neuro knows Cluster, then good. If any doubts, seek a specialist--makes a big difference in obtaining good outcomes.....

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE On-line screen to find a physician.

5. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.






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Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by Mike NZ on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:51pm
Hi and welcome

I'm not sure that anyone other than others with CH have a clue of the pain we go through. Our trusted supporters have a pretty good idea when they see our reactions to a CH. There isn't any easy way to explain this to others. There is a letter for colleagues however that does a pretty good job - START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE.

Having a good abortive helps a lot in getting the confidence mid-cycle to be out and about. I make sure that I've got my oxygen to hand or nearby plus a plan on where I'll go to use it, somewhere away from others where I can just deal with the CH and then get back to what I was doing as soon as I can.

For places where you can't easily take O2, make sure you've something like imitrex to deal with a CH.

For children, many people have found that by involving them as much as possible it makes it seem more "normal" to them. This could be by getting them to make sure you get to your O2 or similar. It's amazing how kids get used to things like this when it is treated as just something that happens. And by them seeing how a CH can be killed off it becomes less frightening.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by ttnolan on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:57pm
Hi and welcome to the board...
It sounds like your last neuro in 99 had a handle on treating CH, O2 and imitrex are our best front-line abortives, and verapamil and/or lithium are standard prevents. Bob has given some good info on verapamil, it is usually chosen first over lithium... less complications. Are you seeing the same neuro? We have found choosing a good one is critical.
As far as the paranoia and scaring your kids, pretty standard stuff we all go through. Your kids will be your best supporters if you explain things to them, show them it isn't really scary. Teach them that you need a few minutes undisturbed when it is time for the O2, and before long they will be running interference for you.
Just a few things:
I don't think I have to tell you but... don't get caught without your O2. Get a monster tank for home, and portables to take with you. Some have better results augmenting this with energy drinks (taurine and caffeine).
I don't know if you drink, but almost all of us recognise alcohol as a major trigger when we are in cycle... can give you an attack that is hard to kill. Also overheating, hot stuffy places.
Alternative treatments... I would be remiss if I did not answer that with this... clusterbusters.com
I wish you luck next week with the neuro.
Keep reading all you can, knowledge is power against the beast.
Edit: Look into getting the "O2ptimask" oxygen mask available on this site. It has made a world of difference in the effectiveness of administering O2.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by Guiseppi on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:46am
Welcome to the board. As far as the kids, my girls could rig an e-tank for me by the time they were 12. It helped give them a feeling of control over the beast when they could help daddy slay it with his "little green friend"...The E-Tank.

AS to alternatives, visit our sister site, clusterbusters.com

Joe

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by KMckellepp on Sep 11th, 2012 at 1:52pm
Thank you everyone for the responses. I did get my BIG M tank last week along with 4 E tanks. I have already gone through almost 2 E tanks since last Thursday. Last night was the worst in awhile. I had three in about 2 hours. Still scared to use the injection. Its been almost 13 yrs since the last time I used one and when I did I would literally pass out for about 30 mins. I took your advice on talking to my kids about it and explaining to them all about the oxygen and how to use it. And of course the safety part of using the tanks. Last night my 15 yr old son sat down with me and watched as I did my oxygen and he didn't have the scared look in his face this time. Which was a comfort for me. I see the neuro doctor tomorrow and am very excited. Since my headaches do seem to be coming quicker and more frequent this week. I also tried drinking a large monster drink this weekend when I felt that tickle in my neck and face and it seemed to bring it back down. So I will be keeping those on hand at home and when I am out and about. Not sure if this really worked or just  a weird fluke.. but I will definitely test it out more. I also have noticed that alcohol definitely triggers them. Went to a winery and had three tastings and within about 20 mins had a full blown MONSTER. So no drinking for me till this is all under control. Again thank you everyone for you support. It is truly appreciated.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by ttnolan on Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:29pm
Good job getting the kids involved... not scary.
Imitrex injections... view the "imitrex tip" link on the left. Many have found lower doses effective and a way to extend your supply. A smaller dose may also reduce the negative side effects.
Interested to hear what your neuro had to say.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by KMckellepp on Sep 17th, 2012 at 12:57pm
Well I saw the neuro doctor last week. He said I have been very lucky to go a 13 yr run without any issues. Said it is rare to go that long. All he did was put me on Lithium since that seemed to work so well for me in the past. Said that once I go 7-10 days without a cluster headache then I can start to tapper off the lithium. He also gave me a different injection. Well its just like imitrex but it doesn't have a needle. The pen injector just forces the medication through your skin by air injection. Personally I think I will stick with the needles. I started the lithium on Wednesday and today is Monday and I haven't had one cluster monster yet. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by ttnolan on Sep 18th, 2012 at 7:31pm
Good to hear you are getting some relief. If the lithium turns out to work well for you, I would talk to your doc about being able to start this with a phone call instead of waiting to see him. If he understands CH, a phone call should trigger immediate access to abortives, a transitional, and a preventative. Kind of a hard thing to keep on top of when you get such long remissions.

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