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Message started by snookarosis on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:03pm

Title: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:03pm
I would like to hear from you guys what you do about (assuming you suffer from it like I do) the devastating depression. I don't know if it is just a "over the top" pain reaction or if it is something truly associated with the syndrome itself. Also, I (this is when I'm in cycle but not actually suffering an attack that I am referring to) get this mental state of haze and my eyes stay fuzzy. I am just in a fog all the time while in an active cycle. Anybody else? I wonder if it is a stimulated over production of histamines and these are like allergy-type symptoms?

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Bob Johnson on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:12am
The symptoms you mention are not consistent with depression.

When your cluster attacks are well controlled do you have symptoms different from those you mention?

The starting point would be to discusstion the question with your doc to screen out any side effects of the meds you are using. Until that's done, it's not possible to sort out medical from emotional issues.

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:25am
Actually I should've done this in 2 separate posts. They are completely independent of each other. I take Lyrica for neuropathy (diabetic) and I think that helps with the depression ("why me?", "I can't stand anymore", you know). The other thing, the one I theorize to be histamine production has always been a part of the cycle for me. I've never been one who could simply have an attack and just go "alright, that's done. Off to work!" Dig?

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Bob Johnson on Aug 15th, 2012 at 10:53am
"Dig?" No really, but the "why me?" is a clue.

Take a look at:

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Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 15th, 2012 at 2:59pm
THAT'S IT!!!

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Bob Johnson on Aug 15th, 2012 at 3:16pm
Bless you!  Thanks...

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by AppleNutClusters on Aug 15th, 2012 at 4:05pm
This line from pain v. suffering helped me the most at work, when I was trying to work through the accommodations process:  "This is my body not working right; it has nothing to do with morality or sin or fairness. My job is to care for ME, NOW, not fret about fairness." I kept feeling guilty that I was letting my teammates down, having to leave a few hours early because of CH, getting hit a lot at work, etc. And after I accepted the idea that my body was rebelling and it wasn't my fault, I started to realize that my friends already knew this. They didn't begrudge me the accommodations, because when they need ME, I do the same.

I guess sometimes you just have to stop beating yourself up for things you can't control.

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:31pm
Yeah, my wife tells me ( I know it's true) that when I am in cycle (and even when I'm not, to some degree) I obsess over the whole thing. It is constantly on my mind, affecting all my decisions and activities. Isn't the fact that I am on the internet, now, on a forum discussing it with other sufferers, evidence of that? If I'm not actually having an attack, I am still trying to figure out if something I ate may have precipitated it....and on....and on....etc.
     I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO BETTER AND KEEP MY HEAD UP, A SMILE, AND THINK OF OTHER, MORE POSITIVE THINGS!!! Can I getta attaboy!!?? 

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by AppleNutClusters on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:58pm
Attaboy! (Leave that poor horse alone already!)  [smiley=deadhorse4.gif]

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by bigred on Aug 18th, 2012 at 6:24pm

snookarosis wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Yeah, my wife tells me ( I know it's true) that when I am in cycle (and even when I'm not, to some degree) I obsess over the whole thing. It is constantly on my mind, affecting all my decisions and activities. Isn't the fact that I am on the internet, now, on a forum discussing it with other sufferers, evidence of that? If I'm not actually having an attack, I am still trying to figure out if something I ate may have precipitated it....and on....and on....etc.
     I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO BETTER AND KEEP MY HEAD UP, A SMILE, AND THINK OF OTHER, MORE POSITIVE THINGS!!! Can I getta attaboy!!?? 

        DING DING DING We have a winner!This is so much what it is like when I am Cronic.Its hard to not get down when somthing takes over your life and affects your home and working realationships.I spend so much time adjusting my diet,and meds trying to get a good combination to be pain free for more then 2 days,little is left to be spead into other areas of my life I used to do before my HA started 8 years ago.

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:36am
yeah, me too. I suspect (it would be a feeling of comfort in a perverse way, I guess) that there are many here who struggle with these issues. True?

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Joshua on Aug 19th, 2012 at 5:28pm
This thread and the comments are describing my exact conversation today with my partner.   Since going chronic in earnest over the past few months, it's medicine this, neurologist that, tweak this, try that.... it was to the exclusion of other things that are crucial to a healthy balance.... i've been trying hard of late to take everything in stride.  Continue to make plans, continue to go to the gym, etc... it is tough, but reading the painvsuffering link was helpful....

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Ricardo on Aug 21st, 2012 at 9:20am
Effects I have noticed (and that are backed up by clinical trials with other people) from "clusterbusting" with Psilocybin--Less depression (almost non-existent at this point), hardly any more of the "why me" syndrome, and a huge decrease in frequency and intensity of my hits.  Highly recommended. 


Another drug to look into if depression is getting you down... 

Ketamine, another drug that has helped me immensely.  The intranasal spray I use has been kicking my clusters to the curb fairly effectively (no magic bullet but I'm not taking half as much imitrex as I was and no more hydrocodone needed)

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Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by snookarosis on Aug 21st, 2012 at 1:08pm
you one "alternate" dude, man. I can definitely dig it. How the hell you come up with a ketamine inhaler?!

Title: Re: Depression- histamines
Post by Ricardo on Aug 22nd, 2012 at 10:07am
It's not really an inhaler, just a spray I put up my nose.  My neuro prescribed it for me just about a year ago.  Like I said, no magic bullet, but it has made my quality of life significantly better.

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