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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> High flow O2 question http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1336047101 Message started by Dodge on May 3rd, 2012 at 8:11am |
Title: High flow O2 question Post by Dodge on May 3rd, 2012 at 8:11am
Hi All,
Is there any evidence I can print that shows that O2 with flow rates above 15lpm is any more effective? I'm trying so hard to get any help from my Dr. He says there's no evidence, but I know he hasn't looked, he never does, that's why i'm not on any preventative meds, I asked him if there was something I could try instead of verapamil, he said, No. He didn't say, maybe i could have a look, just, No. I know that's not the truth. I'm waiting to be referred back to Neurology, but as you know, that takes weeks. I want help sooner, been getting 10+ hits every day for a week. Proper ones. I barely have the energy of type, let alone fight doctors.. They don't make it easy for us. Sorry for the rant Dodge |
Title: Re: High flow O2 question Post by Brew on May 3rd, 2012 at 12:08pm Quote:
I know things are tough for you right now, but when you can you need to fire this guy's @$$. |
Title: Re: High flow O2 question Post by Guiseppi on May 3rd, 2012 at 2:41pm Brew wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 12:08pm:
I'm not one to bash doc's but Brew is spot on. When this cycle is over, start shopping for a new doc. This is one condition where a closed minded "I know everything that needs to be known" doctor will cause you many many hours of needless pain. :-/ Joe |
Title: Re: High flow O2 question Post by BlueDevil on May 3rd, 2012 at 10:20pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the real issue here one of percentage oxygen rather than flow rate?
I would have thought the aim is to achieve as close to 100% O2 as possible in order to have maximal effect. So flow rate is simply a means to an end. A demand valve will supply virtually 100% with every breath, and no gas wastage since it supplies exactly what you need for each breath, but no more. Flow rate is not an issue here as the demand valve will just provide gas at whatever rate you suck on it. For a non-demand setup flow rate becomes important, but only as a means of achieving the highest possible percentage of oxygen. A regular non-rebreather mask doesn't seal perfectly well so some dilution with air will occur and some wastage of oxygen will also occur. The O2ptimask would presumably achieve higher O2 percentages by virtue of the better seal and the larger reservoir bag. I guess what I am getting at is that research should really be aimed at demonstrating whether high percentage O2 is superior to lower percentages. From that information it can then be inferred as to what is the best delivery sysem to achieve that desired O2 percentage. If research showed that 100% O2 was the most effective option for aborting CH then it just becomes a matter of setting yourself up with the best delivery system that can achieve that aim within your budget. As such you would have good reason to tell your doctor that high flow rates are essential if the research has shown that high percentage O2 is the primary aim. We need to keep in mind that in most medical applications 100% O2 is not usually required so most doctors would not be well versed in the best ways of delivering it. I do appreciate that it is difficult to conduct research studies, both financially and having enough subjects. So in the meantime the original poster needs to baffle his doctor into believing that he needs to achieve 100% O2 and that low flow rates won't achieve that. Try to make the doctor think it was his own idea in the first place..."As you obviously know doctor high percentage oxygen is essential and from your extensive knowledge you would realise that low flow sytems can't achieve that. I think you said last time I was here that I would probably need a higher flow system, and it seems you were right...the low flow just isn't working well enough" ;) The above is somewhat tongue in cheek, but you never know maybe if you word things carefully you may get somewhere. :) I haven't had any of these hassles because I am a scuba diver with a certification to allow me to use up to 100% O2. So I simply walk into the dive shop and get my tank filled with O2 then use an oxygen compatible scuba regulator, which is in effect a demand valve. No doctors involved! |
Title: Re: High flow O2 question Post by wimsey1 on May 4th, 2012 at 8:24am
I have to echo what everyone above has said. When I was using a nonrebreather mask at 12-15lpm, it helped, a lot. But the real breakthrough came with the demand flow valve. Aborts went from 15-20 minutes, down to 2-5 minutes, and have stayed there, generally. It's worth the investment! Blessings. lance
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Title: Re: High flow O2 question Post by Dodge on May 4th, 2012 at 8:34am
Wow. Thanks everyone for so much information, I know I should have looked for myself, but been too wiped out, just needed to be told, so thank you again, I've had more help here in a day than all year at the Dr's!!
Going vitamin shopping today. I'm in the UK and the cylinders I get on prescription come with a big lump of plastic on top with a built in regulator with a dial that goes up to 15, looks like they don't want me to mess about with it. Maybe welders O2 is the way to go for me.. Got Optimask in Decemberish, what a difference!! Feeling a bit brighter today, thanks again. Dodge |
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