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Message started by dockwolk on May 19th, 2010 at 9:11pm

Title: Just a few questions...
Post by dockwolk on May 19th, 2010 at 9:11pm
I'm a newer member but a 15 year sufferer and was looking over the posted imitrex tip. I have a few questions about it, and a couple of other things.

1) Do you split your injection up into 2-3 doses, how fast and effective is it, and for curiosities sake what part of the body do you inject? I've always used them full strength in my upper right thigh.

2) What is the worst side effect/reaction you've had to a medicine? Mine was depakote, my legs bloated 2-3 times their normal size and my knee joints were achy on fire. Only 6 days on that med.

3) Let's say you were 1 1/2 hours into a nasty, nasty, headbanger, and your significant other bent over you and asked if you wanted "chinese food tonight". Does it give you the right to direct obscene language at her without fear of retribution or reprisal at a later time? (this is more of a personal question)

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Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by DennisM1045 on May 20th, 2010 at 10:15am

dockwolk wrote on May 19th, 2010 at 9:11pm:
1) Do you split your injection up into 2-3 doses, how fast and effective is it, and for curiosities sake what part of the body do you inject? I've always used them full strength in my upper right thigh.

I don't split doses but use the 4mg stat dose.  From everyone I've heard about, 2-4mg is all you need.  Same abort every time.

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2) What is the worst side effect/reaction you've had to a medicine? Mine was depakote, my legs bloated 2-3 times their normal size and my knee joints were achy on fire. Only 6 days on that med.

I've been luck so far.  All my reactions have been relatively mild. 

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3) Let's say you were 1 1/2 hours into a nasty, nasty, headbanger, and your significant other bent over you and asked if you wanted "chinese food tonight". Does it give you the right to direct obscene language at her without fear of retribution or reprisal at a later time? (this is more of a personal question)

;D 1st off, I wouldn't get that question from my bestest supporter.  But if I did, I would probably have the same reaction.  I'd still have to appolgize later though.  30 years of marriage here.  I plan to make it another 30.

-Dennis-

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by birdman on May 20th, 2010 at 12:11pm
1. - I havent had the guts to try it, hate working with needles so I just hit the trigger on the statdose pen.
2. - no signifigant side effects.
3. - I have explained to the wife that anything said or "done" during a hit is not admissible in court or any future arguments.  It's a Jekyll and Hyde thing.

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by davidj35 on May 20th, 2010 at 12:25pm
3 only and the answer is YES!!!

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by neuropath on May 23rd, 2010 at 6:46am
3. You should stay away from Chinese food any time of the day.....It's packed with MSG.

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by seaworthy on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:18am

neuropath wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 6:46am:
3. You should stay away from Chinese food any time of the day.....It's packed with MSG.


Your significant other may also be packing.

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by Ginger S. on May 23rd, 2010 at 9:11am

dockwolk wrote on May 19th, 2010 at 9:11pm:
I'm a newer member but a 15 year sufferer and was looking over the posted imitrex tip. I have a few questions about it, and a couple of other things.

1) Do you split your injection up into 2-3 doses, how fast and effective is it, and for curiosities sake what part of the body do you inject? I've always used them full strength in my upper right thigh.

2) What is the worst side effect/reaction you've had to a medicine? Mine was depakote, my legs bloated 2-3 times their normal size and my knee joints were achy on fire. Only 6 days on that med.

3) Let's say you were 1 1/2 hours into a nasty, nasty, headbanger, and your significant other bent over you and asked if you wanted "chinese food tonight". Does it give you the right to direct obscene language at her without fear of retribution or reprisal at a later time? (this is more of a personal question)

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1.  No when I am getting a hit I don't have the time or inclination to play with a tiny injector with shaky hands to conserve on doses.

2. Worst side affect to a medication was non CH related.  Dr. put me on a dose of RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis) medication that nearly killed me, sent me to the hosp. with severe kidney failure.

3. Oh hell ya!  CH constitutional amendment in my house is during CH attack anything I've said immediately falls under the 5th amendment or a plea of temporary insanity.  :D



seaworthy wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:18am:
[quote author=404C48434A48411D142D0 link=1274317919/4#4 date=1274611609]3. You should stay away from Chinese food any time of the day.....It's packed with MSG.


Your significant other may also be packing.


Warning: Your Chinese food may also be packing any local strays of the canine or feline variety.  :-X

Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by Bob_Johnson on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:21pm
I'm not offering these abstracts in support of any position on the effects of MSG but, rather, as an opportunity to ask you to consider the sources and scope of any evidence we post (please see PDF file).
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J Am Acad Nurse Pract. 2006 Oct;18(10):482-6.

Reconsidering the effects of monosodium glutamate: a literature review.
Freeman M.

OhioHealth, Columbus, Ohio, USA. freeman.224@osu.edu

Abstract
PURPOSE: This article reviews the literature from the past 40 years of research related to monosodium glutamate (MSG) and its ability to trigger a migraine headache, induce an asthma exacerbation, or evoke a constellation of symptoms described as the "Chinese restaurant syndrome." DATA SOURCES: Literature retrieved by a search using PubMed, Medline, Lexis-Nexus, and Infotrac to review articles from the past 40 years. CONCLUSIONS: MSG has a widespread reputation for eliciting a variety of symptoms, ranging from headache to dry mouth to flushing. Since the first report of the so-called Chinese restaurant syndrome 40 years ago, clinical trials have failed to identify a consistent relationship between the consumption of MSG and the constellation of symptoms that comprise the syndrome. Furthermore, MSG has been described as a trigger for asthma and migraine headache exacerbations, but there are no consistent data to support this relationship. Although there have been reports of an MSG-sensitive subset of the population, this has not been demonstrated in placebo-controlled trials.
IMPLICATIONS FOR PRACTICE: DESPITE A WIDESPREAD BELIEF THAT MSG CAN ELICIT A HEADACHE, AMONG OTHER SYMPTOMS, THERE ARE NO CONSISTENT CLINICAL DATA TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM. FINDINGS FROM THE LITERATURE INDICATE THAT THERE IS NO CONSISTENT EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT INDIVIDUALS MAY BE UNIQUELY SENSITIVE TO MSG.
Nurse practitioners should therefore concentrate their efforts on advising patients of the nutritional pitfalls of some Chinese restaurant meals and to seek more consistently documented etiologies for symptoms such as headache, xerostomia, or flushing.

PMID: 16999713
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Clin Exp Allergy. 2009 May;39(5):640-6. Epub 2009 Apr 6.

Monosodium glutamate 'allergy': menace or myth?
Williams AN, Woessner KM.

Division of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology, Scripps Clinic, San Diego, CA 92130, USA. a.williams33@yahoo.com

Abstract
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) is a salt form of a non-essential amino acid commonly used as a food additive for its unique flavour enhancing qualities. Since the first description of the 'Monosodium glutamate symptom complex', originally described in 1968 as the 'Chinese restaurant syndrome', a number of anecdotal reports and small clinical studies of variable quality have attributed a variety of symptoms to the dietary ingestion of MSG. Descriptions of MSG-induced asthma, urticaria, angio-oedema, and rhinitis have prompted some to suggest that MSG should be an aetiologic consideration in patients presenting with these conditions. This review prevents a critical review of the available literature related to the possible role of MSG in the so-called 'Chinese restaurant syndrome' and in eliciting asthmatic bronchospasm, urticaria, angio-oedema, and rhinitis. DESPITE CONCERNS RAISED BY EARLY REPORTS, DECADES OF RESEARCH HAVE FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE A CLEAR AND CONSISTENT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MSG INGESTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE CONDITIONS.

PMID: 19389112


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Title: Re: Just a few questions...
Post by neuropath on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:57pm
Additive MSG is a totally pointless, artificial enhancer to which many people have a sensitivity to. The way MSG is added in Chinese and other cuisines it serves no nutritional but solely a cosmetic and appetite-enhancing purpose.

Having been in the hospitality business for 30 years and as an operator of 20 restaurants in mainland China I can attest to the fact, as a credible source I believe, that MSG as well as other artificial flavourings or enhancers are to be avoided; with or without CH affliction.

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