It's known consumption of alcohol can trigger an attack. What hubby & I are wondering is if there is any data/information on CH evolving from a history of alcohol consumption?

More specifically, he partied like a rock star from age 17 through 37, hasn't touched a drop for going on 12 years. First CH happened at age 47 (he's 48 now). Has had no other health problems, ever.  The neurologist mentioned the "party years" could have "predisposed" him to clusters at this point in his life. Has anyone else heard of or experienced this?

Can't comment on anything to do with clusterheads in general, but I started with CH when I was 13. 

Never had any alcohol until I was 19.  (Legal age back then.)  Never used any tobacco until I was 20 or so. 

Nevertheless, I was a full-blown episodic with cycles twice a year by the time I was 16. 

I realize that personal experience in particular is not really relevant to statistical phenomena in general, but it does tend to cause me to look at the occasional finger-pointing at tobacco use and/or alcohol use as a precipitating factor of CH by the medical profession with a somewhat jaundiced eye. 

The question I always want to ask is...okay...HOW does it bring on CH?

Best,

George

AdoreInVegas wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 4:44pm:

It's known consumption of alcohol can trigger an attack. What hubby & I are wondering is if there is any data/information on CH evolving from a history of alcohol consumption? More specifically, he partied like a rock star from age 17 through 37, hasn't touched a drop for going on 12 years. First CH happened at age 47 (he's 48 now). Has had no other health problems, ever.  The neurologist mentioned the "party years" could have "predisposed" him to clusters at this point in his life. Has anyone else heard of or experienced this?

Yeah, I've both heard of and experienced Doctors making assinine statements like this one....that was your question right?  I know that alcohol is a definate trigger for me in cycle but IMHO this docs statement is just so much BS!!!

DD

Neurologist = schmuck.

My personal experience, a little binge drinking in high school days, nothing to write home about. Ch started around then, but that is realized only in hind sight as it was very mild back then.

Fast Forward to age 50. Off cycle I love my bourbons, micro brew beers and red wines. On cycle they can be brutaly intense triggers.

I hate to paint with a broad brush but does this sound familiar to anyone?

1: Lose 15 pounds.
2: Stop Smoking
3: Stop Drinking.

I think thay ALL have been saying this for so long it has become an almost cure all for whatever ails you!

Joe

Yep...time to get a new Dr.  This one doesn't have a clue.  Some times what these doctors have told us is almost funny if it wasn't for the fact that we are hurting and want and need to be treated correctly.

Women are told they CAN"T have CH because they're not men.
stop the caffeine and smoking
these are caused by stress
these are caused by head trauma
CH can be treated with chiro and, or accupuncture.
I could go on....

Woops, looks like you've encountered an all too typical ignoramo-doofus neurologist there.

George wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 4:57pm:

I realize that personal experience in particular is not really relevant to statistical phenomena in general, but it does tend to cause me to look at the occasional finger-pointing at tobacco use and/or alcohol use as a precipitating factor of CH by the medical profession with a somewhat jaundiced eye.  The question I always want to ask is...okay...HOW does it bring on CH?

That's a good question - and I don't think anyone has a definite answer ... our biochemistry is too complex. But here are some good possibilities.

Nicotine strongly interacts with serotonin-2 receptors - the same receptors that psilocybin and other clusterbusters work on. But while clusterbusters seem to push a 'reset button' for that receptor system, nicotine is more like 'jamming the ON button' ... nicotine stimulates the serotonin-2 receptors in a way that is opposite to kudzu.  Chronic nicotine use also turns down the genes for producing serotonin transporter proteins. Long term use of nicotine also increases the activity of calcium channels (an effect that is just the opposite of verapamil) and disturbs TRP ions channels (which also seem to be involved in CH).  All in all, there are lots of indications that nicotine and some key parts of the serotonin system don't get along very well, and that we may be the ones to suffer as a result.

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All of these disturbances can happen even if a person has never used nicotine in their life. But tobacco seems to guarantee these disturbances. It does seem to increase the odds of cluster pain, although it alone is not enough and requires other malfunctions in the body.

As far as the idea that previous heavy drinking might increase the odds of developing clusters ... maybe, but not much information to support that idea. At this point, not much that can be done about it anyway, so it is not a useful theory. There is no evidence that moderate alcohol consumption out of cycle increases the risk of clusters, although chronic heavy caffeine use could definitely be a factor for some people IMO.

George wrote on May 2^nd, 2010 at 4:57pm:

Can't comment on anything to do with clusterheads in general, but I started with CH when I was 13.

Ditto on this.  Never drank till I was 18.  CH started @ 16 for me. 

In response to Vegas, time to get a new doc with that kind explanation.