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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1270861667 Message started by circus1031 on Apr 9th, 2010 at 9:07pm |
Title: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by circus1031 on Apr 9th, 2010 at 9:07pm
Oxygen was delivered today, very excited about that: first time in 10 years someone actually prescribed o2 for me.
However I was very upset to see not only didn't I get a non-rebreather mask, only a nasal breather, but the regulator only goes up to 8. I'm fairly positive I can get another mask but the flow on the tank makes me nervous. I'm assuming it is what was prescribed. I'll try it tonight and see what happens during an attack. Anyone have any luck with rates less than the desired 15? |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by neuropath on Apr 9th, 2010 at 9:39pm |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Marc on Apr 9th, 2010 at 10:51pm
Yes, people have reported good success with 8 lpm.
I personally feel that 40 lpm is infinitely better than 25 lpm. For me it's pretty simple: whatever works for you is what you need. |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Bob P on Apr 10th, 2010 at 8:31am
7 to 8 lpm works for me. Aborts the attack within 10 minutes. Definately need a non-rebreater mask though.
BTW - I'm 6'4", 230 lbs. |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Iddy on Apr 10th, 2010 at 12:27pm
As Marc said.....you will find out what works for you by trial and error.
That's how things seem to work in our corner of the world. Glad to hear you have the o2! Iddy :) |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by circus1031 on Apr 10th, 2010 at 2:21pm Bob P wrote on Apr 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
Ok good. I feel more hopeful now. I'm 6'6" 205. (A bit more with a bit less. :) ) Glad to hear someone with similiar build had some good results. Got a non-rebreather mask today. Had two attacks last night and the nasal one did absolutely nothing. Thanks so much everyone for your feedback! |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Skyhawk5 on Apr 10th, 2010 at 4:58pm
Just a reminder a NON-rebreather has a bag on it.
Don |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Callico on Apr 10th, 2010 at 5:05pm
I hope it works for you, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't. At that low a flow rate I would be sucking the bag flat faster than the oxygen could get in, and i would have to take the mask off to breath. That negates whatever the O2 has done to that point.
All the best, Jerry 5'8" 195 |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by sylverstar on Apr 10th, 2010 at 10:12pm
I set up an account in a new city and when I got the oxygen it came with an 8 lpm tops. It did absolutely nothing for my headaches that night. I bought one online for $53 that goes up to 15 lpm and have been using it ever since - 15 gets rid of the headache within 5 minutes (for me!).
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Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by bejeeber on Apr 11th, 2010 at 6:42pm
When I first started using O2 for CH back in olden times, I was using 8-10 LPM with a crummy standard issue cannula and it was working (!!).
It seems like over the years the severity of my CH has gotten worse though, and that approach will no longer do anything for me. It's Hi LPM non-rebreather or nuthin'. Here's hoping the lower LPM approach will work for you - as we've seen, it is possible. :) |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by itotka on Apr 11th, 2010 at 8:38pm
Kudrow: Response of Cluster Headache Attacks to Oxygen Inhalation (1981)
"100% oxygen was administered through a facial mask at a rate of 7 liters per minute, for 15 minutes. ... The greatest benefit (92.9%) was found among episodic patients under 50 years of age." IMHO O2ptimask and 15+ LPM is much more better. I'm completely painfree in 3 mins on 40-60 LPM. |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by circus1031 on Apr 12th, 2010 at 9:47pm
So far jury still out on O2.
One attack, 10 mins on, 10 off, then 10 on - pain still present but could fall back asleep. Next attack about two hours later after 10 minutes on, it quickly climbed to a Kip 7 or 8. At that point I decided to save my O2 and wrestle with it. Last night I was lucky to be pain-free. I'll keep trying. Wondering if it is better to try different breathing. Normally during an attack I hyperventilate; many short quick breaths. Any advice? Thanks so much guys! XOMR |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Ray on Apr 19th, 2010 at 8:37am
I use a demand regulator, so when I inhale, I get 100% O2. I can often abort a headache within about 5 minutes. It can't be beat (for me).
Ray |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Fox on Apr 19th, 2010 at 1:45pm
10-12 LPM worked for me at first, from an H tank with a "real" gauge. In my last cycle I was delivered an M tank with the more typical fixed setting gauge, topping at 15 LPM. This time 15 LPM was necessary to abort attacks.
I could abort most attacks in 6-7 minutes, but I would stay on for a total of 15 minutes, or maybe 18-20 if the abort took longer. On a few occasions using O2 for only 10 minutes, I would get a recurring (often worse) attack 20 - 40 minutes later, but with 15 minutes on O2 this did not occur, so that became my new minimum. I've tried the Apria supplied NRB mask, and the O2ptimask with similar results (both good). The attacks that started while asleep were the hardest to knock down, as the Beast would get a good head start before I woke. For administering O2 my HA specialist taught me to sit, crouched over, facing the floor, and breathe the O2 normally. He said this (facing floor) would work better, so I generally do (can be tricky in high KIP attack). This may sound like a calm, relaxed way to "do O2", but you betcha I breathe long and hard when those high waves of pain roll in, while rocking, jumping and dancing as needed. Then I grab a new tissue, sit and face the floor again. Keep fighting with the O2 and good luck. Fox |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Skyhawk5 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:14pm
Many of us O2 users have found that bending over restricts breathing. Sitting or standing straight is better for max breathing.
But we're all different. Don |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Judge_Smails on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:50pm
I've got a O2 compressor that goes up to 10lpm and it works for me. However, I'm a very light sleeper so I tend to be able to wake up and get on the O2 when I just have a shadow before the real pain hits. The O2 knocks out the pain in 10 min or less.
I will say this - don't give up if O2 at that low a level isn't 100% effective . I was stuck with a 5lpm compressor and I found that with that level of O2 I was still able to knock out the pain, but it would return an hour or so later. I got hit 4 hours in a row one day while using only O2 at only 5lmp. So that may also happen for others. Good luck |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Kevin_M on Apr 19th, 2010 at 4:51pm XOMR wrote on Apr 12th, 2010 at 9:47pm:
A regulator that can get to 15Lpm would be a good starting addition. I'm ok with 10-12. 5' 11" 148lbs. |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by circus1031 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 9:23pm
Thank you everyone so much for your feedback!! :)
Since the original post I got a regulator that goes to 15 bpm using a non rebreather mask. I've had some positive results. It hasn't been a miracle but it's helped a bit. So far O2 @ 15 for 10 -15 minutes helps abort hits if I catch them early enough. But like super early; if I hesitate at all it doesn't to do much. It seems to plateau the pain, never really getting past a 5 or 6, but it'll linger for a while afterwards Other times after 15-20 minutes it doesn't do anything. And with an "E" tank going at 15 I'm burning through o2 quicker than I like. Not giving up. Again, thanks so much for all your support!! XOMR |
Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 20th, 2010 at 1:07am
Prolly won't make much sense to you but 25lpm would work better and use less O2 over time than the 15lpm reg. That has been my experience anyway.
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Title: Re: any success with O2 less than 15 lpm? Post by Kevin_M on Apr 21st, 2010 at 10:26am XOMR wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
Take a look at Deej's stickied thread above about an Optimask. But presently, using what you have, make sure the mask is held and sealed firmly to your face so as to breathe only the pure oxygen. Tape shut any side valves, removing the mask to exhale each time. |
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