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Title: So it begins Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:56am
Tuesday
Oct 06 SnowSnow Hi: 33° Lo: 33° Snow. High 33F and low 33F. Winds W at 8 mph. Air Quality: NA, UV Index: NA 70% Potter |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:04pm
until April i bet
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Guiseppi on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:25pm
Well the good news is........it'll barely hit 100 degrees here today...........and by tomorrow it'll be the low to mid 90's. Just in time for Ruthie and Jimi to head back to Kentucky!!
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:36pm Jimi and Ruth be coming home to temps in the mid to upper 70's. :) Sorry about the snow so early Potter. I have a lot of respect for folks who endure 7 months of winter without losing their minds. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:50pm
potter's a pretty tuff old dude [smiley=bigguns.gif]
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Cathi_Pierce on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:53pm
Sunny and 80 in the land of Roses!
(Followed by 7 days of predicted rain)...... AAARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! Cathi |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Redd on Sep 27th, 2009 at 1:06pm
This just isn't right. Looks to be a hard winter ahead.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Sep 27th, 2009 at 1:09pm
I ain't seein' squat on the radar, Potter.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Sep 27th, 2009 at 1:28pm
Maybe it's snowing so hard that it knocked the Montanny radar out.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Sep 27th, 2009 at 1:57pm Potter wrote on Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:56am:
You bet, October is indeed just about here. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Sep 27th, 2009 at 2:23pm Potter wrote on Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:56am:
Too much snow for one word. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Callico on Sep 27th, 2009 at 3:36pm
The number two man for the UN climate control group in a speech in Germany last week said that we have to look again at the data, that the earth has not warmed in the last 10 years, in fact has cooled, and that it looks as though we are facing a 20-30 year cooling cycle. Better cut a little more firewood!
Jerry |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 27th, 2009 at 4:08pm Quote:
Yes....and for some of us, to build a fireplace to burn it in. heading to Lowes for bricks and mortar... |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by ClusterChuck on Sep 27th, 2009 at 4:27pm Linda_Howell wrote on Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:36pm:
Ummmmm ... We are talking Potter here ... Maybe THAT is what happened to his mind? LOL!!! (GOTCHA, Potter!!! LOL) Chuck |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by cavalier on Sep 27th, 2009 at 5:57pm
Still quite warm and dry here for the UK
The smell of Jasmine in the air The sound of insects and the drone of dunken football chanting breaking the quiet that is your backgarden haven "She stood there laughing ha ha ha ha" Tom Jones has got a lot to answer for. At least if there's snow it'll keep em inside |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Sep 27th, 2009 at 6:58pm
I've been working weekends on a crew that clears brush and trees. My job is cutting up the trees with a chain saw. Most of it is Oak that was already dead because of a long drought.
I drive a pickup truck. Guess what I've been bringing home with me for the past several months? (No, not illegals workers!) It's going to be a toasty warm winter in front my fireplace this winter. Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Sep 27th, 2009 at 7:16pm Callico wrote on Sep 27th, 2009 at 3:36pm:
did that yesterday ;) |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Melissa on Sep 27th, 2009 at 8:22pm Marc wrote on Sep 27th, 2009 at 6:58pm:
Just how cold does it get down there in winter? :-? |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Sep 27th, 2009 at 8:39pm
;D Good point......
Compared to you Northerners, winter is short and mild this far South, but we do get into the teens during cold nights. I do understand real cold - spent time in Alaska during the pipeline years. But, remember that I moved here from California, so anything below 35-40 degrees is cold! Hey, I'll take any excuse to build a roaring fire ;) Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Sep 27th, 2009 at 8:49pm
Fire good.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Sep 27th, 2009 at 9:08pm
heres some pics i took in arizona last year
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Kevin_M on Sep 28th, 2009 at 7:24am
Many years ago, watching a nightly weather report, it happened one day that the warmest temp for the lower 48 was in Phoenix and the coldest in Flagstaff, AZ. I was stunned into remembering that, they're not that far apart. Seemed amazing unfamiliar with the lay of the land. [smiley=cowboy.gif]
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlotte on Sep 28th, 2009 at 9:19am
I think I prefer 100 degrees to 33 degrees. I couldn't survive there, Potter.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Sep 28th, 2009 at 9:47am
I got my fill of 100+ over the summer. Here is what it looked like in July/August and the first half of September. 100 flipp'n degrees almost every day:
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Sep 28th, 2009 at 6:16pm Quote:
I shoulda called you Marc. I had a flatbed haul away some significant stuff from my pin oak the other day that was threatening my house. This tree would fit right in at the Muir Woods. Temp soared to 58 this afternoon. When not raining, it's perfect September weather here. I picked the perfect time for painting the house. If I didn't have such a cold, I'd clean up after myself. Buncha weenies. I love winter. I can't wait to try out one of the three snowblowers that my friend stores in my garage. He only brings me itty bitty ones that need my attention though :( Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGECharlie Quote:
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by barry_sword on Sep 29th, 2009 at 6:25pm
We had a snow-rain mix today at around lunch time. Charlie, wait until this Canadian cold front makes it's way to you. [smiley=yikes.gif]
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by deltadarlin on Sep 30th, 2009 at 8:24am
Today
Sunny High 81°F Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph. Tonight Mostly Clear Low 59°F Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Thursday Increasing Clouds High 81°F Increasing clouds with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night Thunder Storms Low 65°F Showers and thunderstorms likely. Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. The chance of precipitation 70 percent. Friday Chance Of T-Storm High 80°F Mostly cloudy with chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...Then partly cloudy with slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 80. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. The chance of precipitation 30 percent. Friday Night Mostly Clear Low 51°F Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 50s. Saturday Mostly Sunny High 81°F Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Saturday Night Partly Cloudy Low 59°F Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. Sunday Chance Of T-Storm High 81°F Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. Sunday Night Chance Of T-Storm Low 65°F Partly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 60s. Monday Chance Of T-Storm High 81°F Partly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. Monday Night Chance Of T-Storm Low 69°F Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 60s. Tuesday Chance Of T-Storm High 89°F Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 80s. Forecast updated at 445 AM CDT WED SEP 30 2009 |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by vietvet2tours on Sep 30th, 2009 at 4:12pm
Gonna be seventy five here tonite. I lit the wood stove.
Potter |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by George on Oct 1st, 2009 at 1:42pm
Frost here this morning.
A friend sent me a note this morning, that said "Windows all closed. Last night's dinner is still trapped in here." I sent him a note back that said, "À la recherche du temps perdu." I'm a snot. ;) Best, George |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 1st, 2009 at 4:15pm
A fellow bus passenger and I swear that we had a little snow mixed in with the rain on Wednesday. A September snowfall isn't unheard of but rare.
Beautiful October 1st though and warmer in a day or two. Charlie |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Ginger S. on Oct 1st, 2009 at 5:06pm Charlie wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 at 4:15pm:
I think your right Chuck, about the rain and snow mix. I got in the jeep to leave for work and when I looked at my windshield it was covered in SLUSH. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Kirk on Oct 4th, 2009 at 10:13am
For the rest of the week its highs in the 60s lows in the 40s. Perfect riding weather. But Winter looks to be a cold one this year. Thats OK the trike is Winterized and I'm ready.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:30am
We might get some frost tonite. For us, that's full blown winter.
My house is the coldest it's been in at least 4 months. It's dropped to 67 inside and it feels like a freezer. I'm trying to keep it in perspective and realize that the house really doesn't even get up to 67 in the winter....but that seems to only make me more depressed. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Weatherman on Oct 5th, 2009 at 1:34am
Well, there is a weak "El Nino" going on. Historically, weak El Nino winters in North America are usually a little mild in the west, colder and drier than usual from the Rockies through the central U.S., colder and wetter (or snowier) than usual from the Great lakes to the northeast and southeastern U.S.. Being in the southeastern U.S., this does not please me! >:(
Oh, and from a Meteorologist, global warming is a joke. The extensive evidence of warmer and colder periods in our history is undeniable. And as a previous poster accurately stated, we have actually been cooling recently. Of course, I now hear the warming freaks actually saying "sure, we're cooling. Global warming causes global cooling." [smiley=JAW_DROP.gif] How do I argue with that? :-/ |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Oct 5th, 2009 at 9:20am
Note the sly shift in popular terminology. Now it's called Climate Change. If the planet cools, or the planet warms, it's still taxable.
Flip a coin and choose a side. You can find long lists of respected researchers on each side of the same coin. Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 10:58am
Now the blowhards are saying we're going through the beginnings of global cooling. Can we trade our Priuses in for a '74 Catalina?
Perhaps we should just have Algore tell us what the perfect temperature of the globe should be. That way we can build strategically placed HUGE diesel engines and run them at specified times to keep the temperature, as Goldilocks would say, juuuuusssstt right. What a freakin' farce. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:17am
We are getting pounded with wet heavy snow.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Lefty on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:23am
Look on the bright side though....If the West can find different sources of energy as a result of this farce, then our dependence on Arab oil will become alot less significant and our roll in those Countries will become non existent. Therefore all the Taliban, crazy fundamentalist mullahs and rich Sheiks will pale into the little significance they deserve.
Lefty..! |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:25am Brew wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 10:58am:
Diesel engines would be ok, but you'd get more CO2 output if you burned corn fuel, like biodiesel. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:06pm Lefty wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:23am:
Oh, you mean like drilling for own f*cking oil. What a novel concept. If we could just get certain obstructionists to get out of the way.... |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:24pm Lefty wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:23am:
Until January, I was employed by the largest solar energy provider in North America. I like solar, it's really cool to see thousands of KW coming in free. We did large utility scale plants producing 15-20 megawatts and little rooftop systems too. The problem for both wind and solar is the initial high cost. Economy of scale definitely helps bring the price down, but tax incentives are the real driving force to make it happen. Without the tax breaks, you are looking at 10-12 years before the system pays for itself at today's energy costs. Now I'm in the battery business selling big batteries to people who are taking their homes off-grid using wind, solar and micro hydro. My point is: give people a tax credit for doing something and they will jump on every time. Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Lefty on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:49pm Brew wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:06pm:
No...! I could if swore I mentioned finding alternative sources of energy. Anyway, the alternative sources are there but as Marc said there has to be tax incentives for people to embrace them. I suppose you can also dig up beautiful Alaska, I heard it's full of that black gold...! Lefty..! |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Kevin_M on Oct 5th, 2009 at 1:10pm Weatherman wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 1:34am:
With the North Atlantic Oscillation looked at with larger supercomputers, a suggestion of refinement of the model had been put forward last year in his paper. "The strong warming effect that we experienced during the last decades will be interrupted. Temperatures will be more or less steady for some years, and thereafter will pickup again and continue to warm". This of course will be bantered, as the ways of science has been for hundreds of years. Not much more to say until it is. Views are being presented. Climate Myth: Global Warming Stopped in 1998 START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 1:27pm Lefty wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:49pm:
So you're one of the obstructionists? I'm one of the proponents. And neither one of us can do diddly squat about it because we're powerless - members of the lumpenproletariat. So our argument is academic at best. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Kevin_M on Oct 5th, 2009 at 1:27pm Marc wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:24pm:
To build a future here and I think trying to keep the engineers from the auto industry in state during high unemployment, last I read there was commitment for a huge battery research complex getting a thumbs up around Brownstown in this state. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Lefty on Oct 5th, 2009 at 3:53pm Brew wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 12:06pm:
Nah not really, I just like to think outside the box now & again...! Quote:
Jesus, I didn't think I was that far down the scale.. ;D Lefty..! |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 4:14pm Lefty wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 3:53pm:
Unless you're related to Prince Charles, in which case I'd check myself for signs of flippers and fins. ;D |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 5th, 2009 at 4:30pm Quote:
Actually, the history of this dates back some time ago. I can't remember just when but I learned of it late last year around the election. The GOP and some other conservatives have spent serious money trying to change terminology to make things easier to screw around with and have paid a public relations outfit to come up with similar stuff. This is where the "Inheritance Tax became" "The Death Tax," and more. This same outfit recommended changing "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" as it is believed to work better for most right wing debates. The term is older and less definitive. One doesn't hear "Global Warming" so much. They are a clever bunch. Actually, I look at global warming as something to keep track of. I'm old enough to have lived through some overblown stuff but this one isn't something for displaying stupidity. The way it's been talked about by so many is not far from lunatic "Birther" rants used to stir up easy to find noisy people on the fringes of far right. Politics on any side should have nothing to do with such theories. I'll go along with Steven Hawking. Don't shut down critical thinking just when it's very necessary. Don't go so far off the deep end that you wind up holding out in the Rockies until things fall apart either. Charlie |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:14pm
Yep, Charlie - I remember global cooling caused by pollution being all the rage in the 70's.
Either way, it's a potential source of income for politicians. Look at the personal fortunes being made in the carbon credit racket. The current Cap and Trade bill will make the same folks billionaires using the same "offset" mechanism. Can't wait to see how they install methane capture devices on the back end of cows, in lieu of the proposed $5.00 per head for range cattle and $15.00 per head on dairy cows. Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:19pm Marc wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:14pm:
Show me that proposal. Last I saw was eighty five bucks a head. potter |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Marc on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:39pm Potter wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
Don't have it anymore - the link to the proposed bill came from a rancher friend who runs cattle, he may still have it. I'll ask. Your number is probably the new reality in order to raise more tax money to cover the spending. Marc |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Cathi_Pierce on Oct 5th, 2009 at 6:03pm
OK! I admit it! I did it! it was hairspray in the 70's from aerosol cans...tons of em............
and now, we have holes in the ozone.so we have some overheating, some overcooling......my feet are cold cas I type, I guess that's because it's 65 in the house and we haven't turned our furnace on yet..........and, of course, my destruction of the ozone in my teens.I think I'm gonna go put some boofies on my feet and.....and.......try to atone for me sins........ OHH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spare the Hairspray, save the planet! cathi :D |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Kevin_M on Oct 5th, 2009 at 6:14pm Marc wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:14pm:
If one might look again at all peer-reviewed journals of climate change '65-'79, less than 15% predicted global cooling, warming got the nod, but as with most sensationalism, it made the better story, got the press. Things haven't changed much. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by barry_sword on Oct 5th, 2009 at 6:21pm Potter wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:17am:
Damn Potter, that sucks! It won't be long and we will have it also. :P |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 5th, 2009 at 7:31pm
This morning.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by seaworthy on Oct 5th, 2009 at 7:42pm
Poor horse.
Didn't anyone tell him not to go kissing things in cold weather. Now he's got his lips stuck. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by barry_sword on Oct 5th, 2009 at 8:07pm
This coming Sunday is our Thanksgiving and we have had snow, hail, ect. on this weekend in the past.
Potter, that just looks nasty. Is this the norm for you area this time of the year? Time for the Silkies? ;D |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 5th, 2009 at 9:26pm Quote:
Money aside, I think cap and trade makes little sense too. It also makes little sense to point to cold winters and your outside temperature as examples that global warming is a fraud. It's not what it's about. Charlie |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 9:51pm
You're right, Charlie. That's not what it's about. It's about using hand-selected data to support a theory. In other words, junk science.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 5th, 2009 at 10:43pm Quote:
Yes. Exactly what the handpicked "scientists" your side uses to defute any possibility of concern that the vast majority of the scientific community agrees that it's something we are going to have to deal with. Again...critcal thinking....unless you just can't stand not letting energy lobbyists guide your thinking so that anti-intellectual party fringes are your choice for information and deserving your support. Denial of the possibility allows one to not have to deal with something not very comfortable. Charlie |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 5th, 2009 at 10:52pm
Nah. I just go by a total lack of unbiased evidence. That's where my critical thinking has led me.
There is nothing about global warming or climate change or whatever it's called that isn't politically motivated. And there's one thing I can say about anything that's politically motivated: It's crap. |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Skyhawk5 on Oct 5th, 2009 at 11:29pm
Scientist's predictions are just that. Science is no more an exact thing than is Medicine.
I say "just say no to snow". :D One thing for sure is it's not political. Don |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Lefty on Oct 6th, 2009 at 5:58am
Cool pic Potter...! It's a pain in the arse but I just love the snow... :)
Lefty...! |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by deltadarlin on Oct 6th, 2009 at 8:24am
Low to mid 80's here today with possible severe thunderstorms tonight.
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Redd on Oct 6th, 2009 at 10:26am
In the 40's with lots of rain on the way. Really crap weather, the kind that makes my arthritis pain so much worse.
I'll be eating Ibu like candy for a while I guess... |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 6th, 2009 at 10:32am Quote:
Perfect Charlie |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Brew on Oct 6th, 2009 at 10:56am Charlie wrote on Oct 6th, 2009 at 10:32am:
Yay! As usual, we come to some point upon which we agree! ;) |
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by Charlie on Oct 6th, 2009 at 11:36am Quote:
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Title: Re: So it begins Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Oct 11th, 2009 at 2:09pm Potter wrote on Oct 5th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
you get taxed for the the methane gas emitted by your cattle? |
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