Hi everyone;
I've read a few posts that mention r.c.seeds and even a comparison to "shrooms".
Can someone please tell me what they are?
I like to go the "natural" route whenever possible but this is my situation.
I have been clean and sober for 11 years and I want to stay that way. I have battled many hardcore addictions in the past including cocaine, meth., oceans of alcohol, you name it. I even grew and lived on "shrooms" for quite a while. All this before my first C.H.
I'm always looking for a new way to conquer the beast, or as I have called him for many years before finding this site, "the Bedroom Monster"
Any info on these seeds would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks; Mike

Mike,

Welcome to the world of hallucinogens with medical benefits.  I'll give you a quick rundown with links to ordering seeds and info. 

RC seeds (rivea corymbosa) is a relative of the morning glory flower.  These seeds contain LSA a cousin of LSD.  If taken correctly, these seeds can prevent cycles from even happening.  I have been using them for a year and have been pain free up until last Saturday.  The beast is back, but not his usual way.  Not usual as in less attacks a day and not as intense(Lower kip scale attacks).  I think a lot of this is because of the monthly seed consumption I have done as preventative maintenance.  I truely believe the last couple of doses I have done were with old seeds, that's why I have more in the mail as I write this.  I will eat 25 seeds the same time each month.  Use the clusterbuster link below for the preparation. 
Read the entire site. It's too involved to post here.  I can tell you in the past that shrooms have stopped two of my cycles dead in it's tracks.  Amazing huh?  The difference between them and seeds are the seeds have absolutely no kind of effects on me like shrooms.  NO hallucinations or the trippy feel.  Just a little nausea and if I consume a lot, a slight body buzz and lets face it, they taste like sh!t going down the hatch. 


Here is where I buy them:
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I hope this helps if you're looking for natural, non-pharmaceutical options, you may want to consider this.  Please realize, it doesn't work for everybody like any other drug.

Best of luck and I wish you PF days ahead :)

Kindest Regards,
Chad

Thanks Chad, Ive just heard about these as well. Definitely going to look into trying these.  8-)

Smknsmly wrote on Sep 17^th, 2009 at 2:54pm:

Thanks Chad, Ive just heard about these as well. Definitely going to look into trying these.  8-)

Sure thing my friend.  I'm all about natural options.
Another natural option for you all that I haven't tackled yet is using O2 as your abortive.  The goal for me is to stay away from pharm drugs.  They only create more side effects, but everybody has their magic bullet and you must do what works for you.

I use oxygen when I can, it doesn't do much for me when I wake with one though. Its been a while since ive been on the site, looks like there is a lot more info than when I hung around last time. I'll be doing a lot reading this week.

I think i may not be using enough LPM on my oxygen, I guess because I try to conserve it.

Smknsmly wrote on Sep 17^th, 2009 at 3:19pm:

I use oxygen when I can, it doesn't do much for me when I wake with one though. Its been a while since ive been on the site, looks like there is a lot more info than when I hung around last time. I'll be doing a lot reading this week. I think i may not be using enough LPM on my oxygen, I guess because I try to conserve it.

You will find many or here that say you should use at least 15 LPM minimum to kick the beast away.  I have heard of some even using 25 LPM.  High flow rate is the key.
Heck, I don't even have it yet, LOL!!!  I just know what I have to do when I have it.

Chad wrote on Sep 17^th, 2009 at 2:45pm:

Mike, Welcome to the world of hallucinogens with medical benefits.  I'll give you a quick rundown with links to ordering seeds and info.  RC seeds (rivea corymbosa) is a relative of the morning glory flower.  These seeds contain LSA a cousin of LSD.  If taken correctly, these seeds can prevent cycles from even happening.  I have been using them for a year and have been pain free up until last Saturday.  The beast is back, but not his usual way.  Not usual as in less attacks a day and not as intense(Lower kip scale attacks).  I think a lot of this is because of the monthly seed consumption I have done as preventative maintenance.  I truely believe the last couple of doses I have done were with old seeds, that's why I have more in the mail as I write this.  I will eat 25 seeds the same time each month.  Use the clusterbuster link below for the preparation.  Read the entire site. It's too involved to post here.  I can tell you in the past that shrooms have stopped two of my cycles dead in it's tracks.  Amazing huh?  The difference between them and seeds are the seeds have absolutely no kind of effects on me like shrooms.  NO hallucinations or the trippy feel.  Just a little nausea and if I consume a lot, a slight body buzz and lets face it, they taste like sh!t going down the hatch.  Here is where I buy them: START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Here is how to use them: START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE I hope this helps if you're looking for natural, non-pharmaceutical options, you may want to consider this.  Please realize, it doesn't work for everybody like any other drug. Best of luck and I wish you PF days ahead :) Kindest Regards, Chad

Thanks so much for the info &links Chad. I will do some research and keep you posted.
Mike

Are the RC seeds from Iamshaman ok to eat? It says not for consumption, is that just a legal thing?

Yes.....

Smknsmly wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:45pm:

Are the RC seeds from Iamshaman ok to eat? It says not for consumption, is that just a legal thing?

It is the old "CYA" thingy ... (Cover Your Ass)

Several have mentioned eating the seeds.  I don't do that.  I use a pepper grinder, and grind the seeds up.  I then fill a coffee cup with water, and let them sit for at least an hour.  Many times, I let them sit overnight.

Then I just drink it down!  And no, you don't have to drink/eat the ground up part.  All the good stuff has been leached into the water.  I find it has hardly any taste at all.

I have to do considerably more than most appear to have to do.  I do 40 seeds every two weeks, before I get satisfactory results.

And I do NOT get any buzz, tingling, or any effects from the seeds, except GREAT results for my clusters!  It does not eliminate them, for me, at least, but it DOES cut the number and strength of the hits WAY down.  I have some days where I get only two hits!  For me, that is virtually pain free!

Try it and let us know how it works.

Chuck

My method of taking RC seeds is exactly like Chuck's. I gradually increased the dose until I got well over 100 seeds - never felt the slightest buzz or anything weird at all. Also didn't see any improvement above a 40-60 seed dose.

Not even sure that they made me sleepy because I've always taken them late at night - I'm always tired then!

Iamshaman is the only place I've bought them and I've been trying them on and off for a few years.

Many people get fantastic results, and it seems like they help a lot when I'm not getting hit too badly, but they don't seem to help as much when I'm in a high cycle. (I'm chronic)

This post reminds me try a dose. I've gotten complacent because O2 is working so well.

I can't say for sure, but I get the impression that O2 works even better, a day or two after dosing with RC seeds.

Marc

Marc wrote on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 9:55am:

I can't say for sure, but I get the impression that O2 works even better, a day or two after dosing with RC seeds.

Same impression here (with HBWR seeds).

Oliver

Another thing for all of you to remember is "detoxing" from medications before use is MOST important.  I used rc seeds all year
and once this current cycle hit me, I will admit that the hits are easier to deal and less in frequency.  I'm in week two as an episodic sufferer.  I'm quite fortunate because my cycles are short lived especially since I quit smoking almost 5 years ago.  I use to have 7 week cycles and now are reduced to 2-3 weeks. 

NOw, back to "detox".  I'm screwed at the moment because my O2 script last year is too old  and I ditched my last neuro due to the "closed minded donkey factor" as I call it and my next appt. with the new neuro is in December.  O2 seems to be key with aborting hits while busting.  I failed by use Imetrix injections at work out of desperation so I'll have to wait till the cycle is over to do my monthly maintenance seed dose.  Once I have that O2 in hand in December, I will expect my busting to work a lot better.  For now, i'm riding this cycle out with Imitrex injections and Melatonin at night.  Again, I'm quite fortunate with being hit only once during the day and twice through the night.  I got the seeds, but they'll have to wait till the O2 is in hands.

Best of luck to all using any busting methods!

Chad

Thanks guys, i'll order some soon and see how they do. What all do I need to detox from? I was persribed calcium blockers or blood pressure meds yesterday. I can't recall the name, i'll start taking them this weekend bc the last type I tried just put me to sleep. Do I need to detox anything and everything, such as OTC meds and allergy meds?

Check the clusterbusters website, there's an article over there explaining the detoxing.

Chad,

I agree about O2 being critical in the process, unless you want to "ride out" the big hits.

For ME, seeds tend to cause a bad day following a dose. For Me, things get worse for a day before getting better.

I was in your situation because I moved to a different state and hadn't found a good Neuro yet. Welding O2 became the answer for me.

Because it's so darn cheap, I starting doing the hyper-ventilation thing, forcing myself to breath fast and deep. The results were so stunning, that I will never allow myself to run out of O2 again.

At any $18.50 for 9500 liters of welding O2, I always have enough O2 at home for 75 Cluster attacks.  I seem to average about 3-4 minutes at 35 lpm, and another 2-3 minutes at a reduced breathing rate.

That works out to be about 39 cents per abort.

I understand the hesitancy to use welding O2. Jonny talked about it for years, but was afraid of it - until I really, really looked into it.

I bought a "transfill" hose kit to fill my little E tanks from the big welding tank. The hose kit came from a guy who sells them to private pilots - so they can use welding oxygen.

For me, it quickly boiled down to how badly I wanted to stop the pain. The decision was easy.

Marc

Smknsmly wrote on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 10:38am:

Thanks guys, i'll order some soon and see how they do. What all do I need to detox from? I was persribed calcium blockers or blood pressure meds yesterday. I can't recall the name, i'll start taking them this weekend bc the last type I tried just put me to sleep. Do I need to detox anything and everything, such as OTC meds and allergy meds?

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Scroll down to the "detox" section and read everything.

Best of luck  :)

Chad

Marc wrote on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 10:50am:

Chad, I agree about O2 being critical in the process, unless you want to "ride out" the big hits. For ME, seeds tend to cause a bad day following a dose. For Me, things get worse for a day before getting better. I was in your situation because I moved to a different state and hadn't found a good Neuro yet. Welding O2 became the answer for me. Because it's so darn cheap, I starting doing the hyper-ventilation thing, forcing myself to breath fast and deep. The results were so stunning, that I will never allow myself to run out of O2 again. At any $18.50 for 9500 liters of welding O2, I always have enough O2 at home for 75 Cluster attacks.  I seem to average about 3-4 minutes at 35 lpm, and another 2-3 minutes at a reduced breathing rate. That works out to be about 39 cents per abort. I understand the hesitancy to use welding O2. Jonny talked about it for years, but was afraid of it - until I really, really looked into it. I bought a "transfill" hose kit to fill my little E tanks from the big welding tank. The hose kit came from a guy who sells them to private pilots - so they can use welding oxygen. For me, it quickly boiled down to how badly I wanted to stop the pain. The decision was easy. Marc

You got the O2 down to a science Marc.

In a nutshell this is what we should get out of this:

Seeds/Shrooms ect... + O2 = Great results for most

Seeds/Shrooms ect... + Triptans/Inj Steroids/Kudzu etc... (see clusterbusters) = Bad results or cancellation

But, like everything thing else, there are two sides:

There are people here who report successfully using seeds and mushrooms without detoxing.

I'm not suggesting doing it that way because by far, the best success seem to have been via detoxing for about a week.

Some people just like to do it wrong  ;)

Marc

Marc wrote on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 4:59pm:

Some people just like to do it wrong

The story of my life, I guess!  LOL!  Maybe I just have an "ornery" gene in my DNA chain!

I still take the Imitrex shots, and dose at the same time.  I don't use trex that often (anymore, HURRAH!) but I sure didn't wait a week before dosing!

YMMV, as usual.

Chuck

With that being said Chuck, I think i'll prepare another dose tonight for poops and giggles, lol!  I've been very light on the trex anyway.
Why not....I know i'll get a great nights sleep.

What would be a proper number of seeds to start with based upon people's personal expereince?

The first thing to remember is that for treating CH's - you don't need to use enough to feel any major kind of buzz.

Because a very few people have reported feeling a little bit of a buzz at 20-25, I always suggest starting at 15-20. Again, many of us take doses in the 40-50 seed range and never feel a thing.

I was really nervous about seeds before I tried them because I'm not a person who likes to get high. After actually trying them, I realized that my fears totally groundless.

Marc

Marc Thank You....15-20 seeds to start at what frequency would you recommend?

Here's what I've heard, Howard:

Detox 5-7 days.

Dose.

Stay detoxed.

Dose again in 5 days.

Dose again once a month until you feel you're out of cycle. If you're chronic, dose once a month.

The theory is that certain receptors in our brains sort of shutdown after dosing. Conventional wisdom says that dosing too often is a wasted effort because of this "closed door" effect. I have no personal experience with real hallucinogenics like mushrooms or LSD, but I understand that it's almost impossible to "trip" daily because of this effect.

The general rule is about a week, give or take a little, for the "door to open" again.

There are no absolute rules, but you will commonly read about weekly doses at first, tapering off to monthly for those who need it.

Again, there are people who report success with very small doses taken daily.

The most important thing to remember is that this form of therapy is a process - and not normally a one time event. You need to stick with it for bit.

Do spend some time reading up on the "detox" line of thinking. Several CH medications are thought to close the same door to the receptors that you are trying reach. It is commonly believed that using any of the Triptans can make dosing useless.

This can be a major sticking point because many people simply will not go without their conventional abortive drugs for several days in order to "detox."

Many people (including me) report having a short increase in CH's the day after dosing - making it really hard to stay off the Triptans. Oxygen is my only answer to that problem.

There is much, much more to read on this subject but I tried to give you a VERY condensed version only.

Marc

ETA: Brew said it clearly with just a couple of words, while I was slowly typing this post  ;D

Brew/Marc,

When you say detox do you mean just staying off your normal meds for CH?  I use imitrex only when I'm out of the country or can't take a tank with me.

Yup, Imitrex is one of the Triptans.

I still have the same question, Howard. I'm one who has not yet tried the Buster route, but am seriously considering it.

I've heard several different theories. One says all CH meds, including melatonin. Another says ALL meds unless your life would be in jeopardy by not taking them (i.e., insulin). I take a high BP med and a cholesterol med. Going off them for 5 days isn't going to kill me. On the clusterbuster.com website is a whole section on detoxificating (I just made that word up). You should read it, and I should read it again.

Just a thought for you RC guys...

I've seen a lot of discussion about your seeds getting old and less effective, and even a couple of posts where people said they were going to throw out their old seeds and get new ones.  Don't throw 'em out!  Plant 'em!

RC is a really prolific vine, and will grow over a very wide range.  It's everywhere around here (in SW Louisiana) and East Texas.  It requires essentially no care, and is pretty tolerent of a lot of extreme conditions.  Probably does not like real cold climates, but years ago I lived in Pennsylvania and we had closely related species growing there.

Anywhere you've got a fence or trellis for it to climb on, you can have a generous supply of fresh seeds readily available.  One little patch will easily provide you with a couple of thousand seeds over the course of a year.

Nothing personal against the sellers - I just cringe when I hear about people paying money for something so easy to grow at home.

FWIW,
Jim

I here ya Brew, and thank you again Marc. I only take a small amount of meds for cholesterol and stopping them for 5 days or so is no problem. I'm heading out of the country the ladder part of October and looking for other alternatives to imitrex. I have ordered some and they've already shipped. I promise to let you know my feelings once I've tried them.

Don't try to leave the country with them in your possession.

"Have you ever been in a Turkish prison, Timmy?"

Kilowatt3 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:

One little patch will easily provide you with a couple of thousand seeds over the course of a year.

I am not so sure that what you said is a correct statement.  YES they are easy to grow, BUT, someone that has something or other to do with this certain site, that talks about seeds, shrooms, etc .... What WAS the name of that site?  Hmmm .... Clutterbreaker?  No ... Ummm clusterhog?  No, that aint it, either ... Clusterbreaker?  .... SHEESH!!  (Come on, senile old brain, THINK!!)

I know it will come to me in a moment or four ... Clusterbusty?   Hmmm ... Close but no cigar ....    ;) ;D

Anyhow, this guy that has some input to that site, Ummmm ... PurpleRain ... no ... PinkTutu??? no ... Anyhow his real name is Ben, or Bill, or Boob ... or something ...

ANYHOW this guy told me that the RC seeds are different than the morning glory (close cousin) plant, in that the RC flower is very stingy in seed production.  Something like one or two seeds per plant or flower ... or ... SOMETHING!!!

I DO remember this person telling me that you don't get a lot of seeds from the planting ... BUT, it is still a pretty plant and flower ...

Well, seeing I can't remember various pertinent facts, in this post, maybe I best just sign off ... and rest my brain ...

Chook, or Chick, or Chimp ... or SOMETHING !!!

I have to wonder if they would be as potent when grown out of their native climate.

I've heard that if you take some Colmbian McMarijuana seeds for instance and use them for growing in North America, the result is significantly less potent.  :-?

ClusterChuck wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 6:48pm:

Kilowatt3 wrote on Sep 26th, 2009 at 2:07pm: One little patch will easily provide you with a couple of thousand seeds over the course of a year. I am not so sure that what you said is a correct statement...  ANYHOW this guy told me that the RC seeds are different than the morning glory (close cousin) plant, in that the RC flower is very stingy in seed production.  Something like one or two seeds per plant or flower ... or ... SOMETHING!!! I DO remember this person telling me that you don't get a lot of seeds from the planting ... BUT, it is still a pretty plant and flower ...

Well, Chuck - The guy, whoever he is, is mistaken.  Each flower on the vine produces a seed pod with four seeds in it, and if you've ever seen the vines, they can be covered with hundreds of flowers, particularly if they've got plenty of water.  You can pick a coffee cup full of seeds in a half hour, and those are tiny seeds, so that's a bunch of 'em!

Ol' whatsisname may have been thinking of HBW when he remarked that they were not very productive of seeds...

BTW - As for the related morning glory species - they oughtta work as well or better than RC, as they contain the same active ingredients in at least a high a concentration, and the seeds are bigger  :D

Anyway, I just wanted to suggest that planting the old seeds is a lot better use for them than throwing them away!  Try it and see for yourself!  ;)

Regards,
Jim

ClusterChuck wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 6:48pm:

ANYHOW this guy told me that the RC seeds are different than the morning glory (close cousin) plant, in that the RC flower is very stingy in seed production.  Something like one or two seeds per plant or flower ... or ... SOMETHING!!!

That is correct.  I read the same thing, but I guess i'll find out how many each flower yields next spring.  I'm taking my older seeds like somebody said on here and planting them next spring.  With only 2 possible seeds per flower, i'm hoping for a ton of flowers.  We have morning glories planted and they grow like weed.  Very pretty too and I better get a trellis for the rivea because they're very vine-like also.

This can't be this easy??? took one HBWR seed last night and so far 24hrs later not one (knock on wood)
headache.  Was getting 2 sometimes 3 a day for 6 weeks.

mike91769 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2009 at 7:53pm:

This can't be this easy??? .

Can too!!!

Pretty amazing when it works so well.
Expect some CH action and just be prepared to do another when any symptoms return.

MJ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2009 at 8:52pm:

Can too!!! Pretty amazing when it works so well. Expect some CH action and just be prepared to do another when any symptoms return.

In other words, keep up with a monthly maintenance dose when you find a number comfortable to your body.

Kilowatt3 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2009 at 12:19am:

BTW - As for the related morning glory species - they oughtta work as well or better than RC, as they contain the same active ingredients in at least a high a concentration, and the seeds are bigger  :D

Problem with the morning glory and hawaiian baby woodrose is, that they contain more of the unwanted ergolines.
So yes, they work but you'll get more of the unwanted side effects (vomitting, cramps, ...).

as far as side affects  with HBWR seeds. only took 1, sanded off outside of seed with sandpaper and nail file took about 10min. then crushed up seed and soaked in a shot glass with water for 2 hrs. than drink whole thing. 1.5hrs later some small stomach cramps not to bad. 2hrs later some slight nausea nothing any worse than bad CH. only thing i found wrong was could not sleep that night but will take it if this continues. 1.5 days and nothing.

Chad wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:14am:

MJ wrote on Sep 29th, 2009 at 8:52pm: Can too!!! Pretty amazing when it works so well. Expect some CH action and just be prepared to do another when any symptoms return. In other words, keep up with a monthly maintenance dose when you find a number comfortable to your body.

Chad
I am fairly certain that a routine, scheduled monthly maintenance dose is not the answer.
Doseing as symptoms occur has a stronger benefit.
Sure sometimes that requires a monthly dose but the reality is its not needed.
I dose anywhere from daily to and up to 7 weeks apart based entirely on symptoms.
CB treatments work contrary to common medications and some issues can develop with serotonin adjustments over time if the treatrments are not needed.
Have to get back to work but might expand on this later.

MJ, thanks for the word.  I'll have to look further into this.  If this is the case, we need to inform many on here because I know i'm not the only person who does monthly maintenance doses.  Please PM me with more info on this at your convenience.

Thanks,
Chad

mike91769 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 12:51pm:

as far as side affects  with HBWR seeds. only took 1, sanded off outside of seed with sandpaper and nail file took about 10min. then crushed up seed and soaked in a shot glass with water for 2 hrs. than drink whole thing. 1.5hrs later some small stomach cramps not to bad. 2hrs later some slight nausea nothing any worse than bad CH. only thing i found wrong was could not sleep that night but will take it if this continues. 1.5 days and nothing.

Mike,

When I tried HBWR seeds, I just cut them in half and scooped out the nut inside. Fast an easy.

I got up to a dose of 12 and never felt a thing, good or bad. I know the batch was good because someone else was helped by them.

Marc

marc tried that but when i cut them open i coudn't tell what was what. found the method i used on a different web site. Was also wondering if anybody tried the wine method, crush whole seed put in wine and drink whole thing 24hrs later.  72hrs and so far so good!!!

I've heard (2nd hand) stories about too much bad stuff in the outer shell. More stomach upset to the point of barfing, etc.

Good luck with the program!

My seeds came in yesterday, however I think my cycle is near its end. I think i'll dose a couple of times and plant the rest. Then i'll order some more when my next cycle hits.

I got mine in last week and took 15 seeds this morning using the Chuck method.

damit there back 3.5 days cluster free had two in two days kip 7-8 will try two seeds and see what happens.

Without trying to get too excited I took my first dose of seeds Saturday morning(20). Eventhough I have not had any major attacks since July I do get the constant shadowing which I normally abort with the O2. I shadowed most of the night Saturday however it was very diminished and didn't even require any O2. Since then "nothing" at all which is "very" rare for me. Either this is a rare coincidence or I'm having a good experience with the seeds, I really think it's the ladder. Will take another 20 seeds on Thursday and see what happens, no side effects whatsoever. Think I should try a drink or is it too early in the morning?..:)...j/k of course!!

I introduced my son Michael in a much longer narrative on the 14th page of "Re: Time for the 75-80% to stand up and be counted." I am reintroducing him here because r.c. seeds are our current experimental medication while LSD, while quite effective for Michael, is very hard to come by - it's also illegal.

Michael began his episodic cluster career at age 12 and graduated - with the help of an especially severe car accident - to his current chronic phase about 4 years ago. The guys at the hospital couldn't abort his pain, so with the consent of his Neurologist they chemically induced a coma. The only meds that have provided any consistent relief over time have been narcotics. He currently takes 120 mg. of methadone per day.

We heard about r.c. seeds only a couple of days ago. I immediately ordered 100. They arrived today. I crushed 30 of them up, soaked them in a small glass of distilled H2O for 2 hours and Michael drank the mixture down about 45 min. ago. It's not possible for Mike to detox from the methadone but he only took 40 mg. today and that was about 4:00 this morning. He also took the seeds on an empty stomach.

I'll report back with the results.

Someone very close to me was on methadone for pain and it is a really tough drug to detox from - very major withdrawals.

Hopefully that 40 mg. of Methadone today will see him through the night, and I'm not a religious person but I just said a prayer anyway for these RC seeds to show some promise.

Something has to work, and it sounds to me Like Michael would be the primest of candidates for the non hallucinogenic form of LSD (BOL). Not that I'm suggesting it could be acquired for him at this point in time.

I've been taking rc seeds for almost four years with phenomenal success.  The seeds are perfectly legal to purchase, but illegal to ingest, hence, my supplier, Iamshaman.com, very clearly says that they are not for ingestion.  As Chuck said, this is CYA.

Storage of your seeds:  Do not leave them in the little ziplock bags they come in.  I was told, can't remember who, to put the seeds in a clean small jelly jar with screw on lid, and keep them in the fridge.  I've been doing this and they don't seem to lose much potency.  However, I think I might just plant some! 

My dosage (may not work for all).  Began with seeds while out of cycle with monthly maintenance dose of about 12 seeds, crushed in a pepper grinder, then soaked for two hours in a shot glass of warm water (and I do drink not only the tea, but also the sludge - sludge is my friend).

When cycle began, immediately dosed with 35 seeds using same method.  Used O2 only to abort hits.  Waited 5 days and dosed with another 35 seeds.  Cycle completely stopped the day after the second dose.

Since then, My cycle once again tried to start, did the same routing with the 35 seeds and the same fantastic results.

Not once have I ever felt a "high".  All I've ever felt was calm and comfortable, and I slept like a baby.  I've never done any type of recreational drug in my life, so this decision was a hard one for me and my husband.  We have no regrets!

Outside of four breakthrough hits, low on the Kip scale and easily aborted with O2, (BTW I use welder's O2) I have been absolutely pain free for over three years!

The seeds have given me my life back. 

Sandy

Our first try with r.c. seeds didn't seem to help much. If anything, his headaches are a little worse today than yesterday. We'll try again Tuesday with 45 seeds.

I also think we'll try O2 again. A few years ago, without the benefit of the currently available breathing gear, we tried O2 and really couldn't say that it helped enough to warrant keeping around. With the numbers of people on this forum reporting success with the new masks, I think we'd be foolish not to try again.

I'm confident, that with the help of our new friends on this forum, we'll kill the beast! - and soon!

bonkers wrote on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 6:19pm:

Our first try with r.c. seeds didn't seem to help much. If anything, his headaches are a little worse today than yesterday. We'll try again Tuesday with 45 seeds. I also think we'll try O2 again. A few years ago, without the benefit of the currently available breathing gear, we tried O2 and really couldn't say that it helped enough to warrant keeping around. With the numbers of people on this forum reporting success with the new masks, I think we'd be foolish not to try again. I'm confident, that with the help of our new friends on this forum, we'll kill the beast! - and soon!

An temporary increase in hits is fairly common when using seeds - not always, but often enough to note.

The right mask is very important for O2 therapy, along with enough flow to allow him to breathe deep and breathe fairly quickly without waiting for the bag to fill.

Good luck in your quest.

Marc

bonkers wrote on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 6:19pm:

Our first try with r.c. seeds didn't seem to help much.

Sorry to hear that Bonkers, but glad to hear that you're still as determined as ever to see this beast dead ASAP.

Sandy_C wrote on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 3:59pm:

Storage of your seeds:  Do not leave them in the little ziplock bags they come in.  I was told, can't remember who, to put the seeds in a clean small jelly jar with screw on lid, and keep them in the fridge.  I've been doing this and they don't seem to lose much potency.  However, I think I might just plant some!

Sandy, this is fantastic news.  Also, I have been storing them in the bag they came in.  I'll transfer them to a jar like you said.  I do keep them in the fridge so I had that part right. 

I strained my seeds that last time and I had this green looking water that tasted like the seeds.  Before that I would take the "sludge" down too.
I will admit after dosing in cycle, you get the best nights sleep immediately, however with using Trex to abort, I think I might have been interfering with the "magic".  I'll have O2 for next cycle.  This past year was my first using seeds in a maintenance form.
My cycle that ended 2 weeks ago was exactly 14 days worth of CH with 1-2 CH/day.  That was the weakest cycle I have EVER had.  Maybe I owe thanks to the seeds. 

Chad

Hi all... After reading all this, I just ordered seeds.

I am pretty apprehensive about the detox though...I am on Verapamil, and O2.
    Has anyone here thought about taking charcoal?
I have heard that De-activated charcoal from the health food store will clean out any and all chemicals from your body in one dose. 
         Does anyone know anything about that?

Otherwise, I am really excited about the success you all have had with these.    And am hoping they will work for me.

Also praying for your son Bonkers.!  Keep us posted.
   I am so anxious to hear how its working.

I don't believe the detox is merely about getting rid of chemicals. It's about allowing the indole ring molecules to make their way into the cell "sockets" in the brain. It takes a good five days on average to open those sockets.

It's fairly common to get some pretty bad hits after dosing for a few days.  As I said above, I relied on O2 to abort those hits.  It wasn't fun, but the O2 truly got me through that five day wait until the next dose.  After the second dose, life was good.  However, it may take more than two doses for Michael to see an improvement.  His situation seems much worse than mind was.


Sandy

Thank you, all of you, for your concern and advise. Until this last couple of weeks I felt alone with my son in this Hell; a Hell that I, as his father, felt responsible to find a way out of since anymore there's very little that he can do except suffer. My not knowing what to try next or seeing anything hopeful in the immediate future and afraid that he would see that I didn't know what to try next, my anxiety was building and transferring to my son. But now, thanks to all of you, I'm hopeful that we'll find a way out of this nightmare and I feel that my son, through me, is also beginning to feel a bit of that hope.

Brew wrote on Oct 12^th, 2009 at 6:14pm:

I don't believe the detox is merely about getting rid of chemicals. It's about allowing the indole ring molecules to make their way into the cell "sockets" in the brain. It takes a good five days on average to open those sockets.

Thanks Brew....this feels truly like a LEAP of faith.
    From what I read here, the seeds will help though, and I am going to try it ,,,soon as they get here. :)

Bonkers....Keep us posted ..I am soo anxious to hear good news from you.
   Just wondered,,, are their others in your family tree with CH?              lorac

One of the things I've read is that you need to be COMPLETELY detoxed from lithium when you take them (if you're taking lithium now). Having lithium in your system can intensify the effect and lead to some very unpleasant experiences.

Lorac,

Thank you for your concern. My mother and I both had migraine headaches when we were young. We both "outgrew" them in our early 30's.