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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> O2 Safety - Please read! http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1240757415 Message started by Kilowatt3 on Apr 26th, 2009 at 10:50am |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 26th, 2009 at 9:22pm
EXCELLENT post!!!
We sometimes forget to mention the safety aspect when we are praising the virtues of oxygen therapy ... Thanks for the reminder! Chuck |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by Kilowatt3 on Apr 26th, 2009 at 10:51pm Batch wrote on Apr 26th, 2009 at 9:06pm:
Batch, Thanks for your thoughts. I understand where you're coming from, but being a pilot, your idea of "common sense" about handling O2 is biased. That sense is not all that common. You've been well trained in the hazards, and so have astronauts, welders, some medical professionals, and a few other specialized folks. Sure, the folks who light up a cigarette while filling their car with gas are scrubbing themselves from the bottom of the gene pool, but among the population at large, there is no such thing as "common sense when using oxygen therapy". I'd bet you a dollar to a beignet that not three people out of a hundred would ever dream that reaching to adjust an oxygen regulator with a little oil on your hand could result in the horrific injury that the welder in the safety bulletin received. Yes, there is safety info about oxygen in the user's guide, and the link to the "Man from LOX" that you referenced, but how many of the CH'ers, particularly newbies, have read all that stuff? In a couple of years on this site, I have seen hundreds of "get oxygen" posts, but no more than a couple that really urged anyone to learn what they're doing, and be careful with it. I have never seen a post cautioning against allowing O2 to come into contact with oil, or other organics. The injury in the safety bulletin could easily have happened to 9 out of 10 of the O2 users on this board, because they were simply unaware that it might. No one can tell me with a straight face that the risks have been adequately addressed here. I'd just like for us to look out for one another. Regards, Jim |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by DennisM1045 on Apr 27th, 2009 at 2:18pm
Jim,
I want to thank you for posting the link to NFPA info. I found it very informative and agree that not enough is done here to caution Oxygen users on the potential hazards involved in Oxygen therapy. However the whole point of the study was to raise awareness of the fact that there is no agreement on how to regulate the home use of medical oxygen. It is unreasonable to assume that CH.com can solve this problem. What I worry about is the fine line between a healthy, informed caution and paranoia which would keep folks from taking advantage of a very effective form of therapy. Very few people will take the time to read through and understand the info in the link you provided. To post that in its entirety would probably scare off more than a few. I don't think that is what any of us would want. The most relevant part of the document (to me) is quoted here... Quote:
I'd be willing to include the info above in my posts in support of Oxygen therapy... Quote:
-Dennis- |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 27th, 2009 at 3:46pm
Good point!
Notice I changed my signature line ... Chuck |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by Lottie on Apr 28th, 2009 at 9:30am
My O2 company went over the safety guidelines when they first delivered the O2. They also mentioned the danger of grease and oil. I have separate regulators, so they told me not to touch the part that goes into the cylinder, for humans always have some level of grease on their hands.
So I think it is the job of the suppliers to inform you properly, and tell you about safety guidelines. Lottie |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by Batch on Apr 28th, 2009 at 2:06pm
Jim,
There's no such thing as enough safety in anything we do and in particular oxygen safety. You've got an excellent post going with great responses. You're right, with 3000 hours flight time in Navy fighters, I've had a lot of training in oxygen safety, weapons/ordnance safety, flight safety... In fact, every mission brief contained safety questions requiring responses with the appropriate safety procedure. It was routine to sit in a Martin-Baker Ejection seat containing the equivalent explosive force of a half stick of dynamite, in a jet with 2,000 gallons of JP-5 jet fuel, 5 liters of LOX, 2,000 lbs of high explosive ordnance hanging under the wings, and 400 rounds of high explosive incendiary 20MM cannon rounds only a few feet from my back side. On top of that, there was usually 20 feet of fire shooting out of the engine at takeoff... And while all this was going on, I was breathing 100% oxygen... Oxygen is a very powerful oxidizer that will make any combustible burn at explosive rates and at extremely high temperatures. Hair and just about any kind of loosely weaved fabric make excellent fuel for flash fires when saturated with 100% oxygen... Oxygen will even cause aluminum and steel to burn but the kindling temperature is a bit high... That's only part of the oxygen safety awareness folks need to know about. The 2250 to 2500 psi pressure in our oxygen cylinders can turn them into rockets it the valve is knocked off. I've seen a welder's cylinder fall into a dry dock and come screaming out like a rocket. I've also commented on folks trying to breathe oxygen straight from the valve because they didn't have a regulator as being very dangerous. A stream of high pressure gas directed against the skin can actually penetrate the skin causing all kinds of problems including gas embolism. One of the biggest problems we all face is complacency. We get so used to walking up to our oxygen breathing systems and turn them on we're unaware of the actual dangers involved in its use. In short, we rarely think about oxygen safety... A little oxygen safety sign or tag hanging from your regulator would help... Making sure the cylinder is properly secured to keep it from falling over, the regulator is installed properly, functioning properly, and the face mask is clean are all very important items on a safety check list... We used to clean our oxygen face masks prior to every flight to make sure they were free of any facial oil... I would venture there are very few cluster headache sufferers who perform this essential maintenance action on a routine basis... Good on you for bringing up oxygen safety! Take care. V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by midwestbeth on May 4th, 2009 at 4:37pm
This is a great post!!
Batch is right, you can never be too safe when dealing with 02. My hubby works with it and was not too thrilled when I told him that I was going to start using it at home for ch. I got a lecture on 02 saturation, about not lighting up a cigarette too soon afterwards, about there being no open flames, or even heat sources near the tank, etc.....you get the picture. I believe one of the reasons he was so freaked out about the 02 was the fact he personally knew someone who was in an 02 flash fire. this person was on 02 24/7 and went so far as to have all gas appliances removed from his home and replaced with electric. One day while cooking something, there must have been a spark from the electric stove and he was burned badly. The inside of his lungs were seared. Even with all the precautions he took, he still was injured. Better to be overly cautious. Beth BTW....I like your new tag line Chuck. :) |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by Kilowatt3 on May 10th, 2009 at 11:05am Batch wrote on Apr 28th, 2009 at 2:06pm:
Pete, Thanks again for posting. You've summarized a lot of my concerns as well or better than I could. The 'No Smoking' rule around oxygen does sort of seem like "common sense", but I have seen a couple of posts that made me wonder. Someone wrote that you should wait "a couple minutes" after using O2 before smoking. That is not nearly long enough! The NFPA says no one should ever smoke in a home where medical oxygen is used, period. Some time ago, when O2 safety was brought up, a poster asked, "Who ever heard of medical oxygen causing a house fire???" I have, and that's why I posted the NFPA link - to show that this is a real concern and not "paranoia". Almost 1200 house fires a year is not trivial! What really caused me to start this thread, though, was the issue of spontaneous ignition of oils & other flammables in the presence of pure O2, like what happened to the welder in the safety bulletin. I had a mental picture of one of the wonderful women on this site, or maybe Chuck, putting on cold cream, or some sort of facial mask, or whatever for the night, or maybe lipstick & makeup for a night out, then having a CH attack, reaching for the O2, and suddenly suffering a tragic injury. All because she didn't know any better. Well informed is well armed. Thanks again for contributing! Regards, Jim |
Title: Re: O2 Safety - Please read! Post by Lottie on May 10th, 2009 at 5:28pm
And thank you for posting this thread! 8-)
As you said, well informed is well armed. |
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