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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Bionic surgery http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1238337642 Message started by Lefty on Mar 29th, 2009 at 10:40am |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 29th, 2009 at 10:55am |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Lefty on Mar 29th, 2009 at 1:28pm ClusterChuck wrote on Mar 29th, 2009 at 10:55am:
Thanks for the link to Michaels thread Chuck. Very informative and interesting |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by [joHnny]w_ an_h on Mar 29th, 2009 at 3:19pm
man there are so many alternatives to getting your head cut open and/or taking imitrex.
edited to add: that are much cheaper and more effective |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by mrs mac on Mar 29th, 2009 at 6:23pm
[quote author=42454C4C444F4F200 link=1238337642/0#0 date=1238337642]Has anybody tried this treatment
and how was their results......! I hope this link works because I'm just getting familiar to this site. If not maybe you can cut and paste. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE i know this lovely lady who had the ONS done last year, and she is doing very well, not sure of the exact figures, but i do know that her CH has greatly improved and she is enjoying a full night's sleep!! i thinkt there may be someone along soon who can give you a better answer than me. My husband is at the moment waiting for funding for the same op, we have already spoke to the surgeon and know what to expect!!! If Andy can get even a fraction of the success that she has had and escapes the through the night attacks then we would consider the op a success!! sandra |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Lefty on Mar 29th, 2009 at 6:42pm
Sandra I'm glad to hear she is doing very well i was following her story.
Pass on my best wishes if you see her again. Chuck posted a good link to Michael's journey with this procedure. I think its definitely a thread your husband should read if he is considering this option. Best wishes Tony. I just noticed your address. My Wee one just loves Balamory...! |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by mrs mac on Mar 29th, 2009 at 7:25pm
lol, glad she likes it
had a look at Michael's thread, made very interesting reading, but have also had lengthy conversations with Val, so we are both going into this with both eyes fully open, also having spoke with Lawrence Watkins, we are fully aware of the ins and outs of the procedure, the National in London is a wonderful hospital, and we are grateful that they will be doing the procedure, i reckon Andy's in good hands!!!! will tell Val you were asking for her!!! sandra |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by wildhaus on Mar 30th, 2009 at 6:23am -johnny- wrote on Mar 29th, 2009 at 3:19pm:
[joHnny]w_ an_h could you expend, or explain…… Michael |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by monty on Mar 30th, 2009 at 5:39pm
IMO, most docs consider surgery as a last option, but it is one that needs to be kept open and may be appropriate if other treatments do not work.
I think that two types of surgery have been mostly abandoned (deep brain stimulator and gamma knife), but an occipital nerve stimulator is not nearly as invasive as deep-brain, or as irreversible as a cut with the gamma knife. |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Dyno on Mar 30th, 2009 at 6:08pm Quote:
50% better than she was Sandra ;) The surgery is not invasive with very little scarring and is reversible/removable should it not be of any benefit. ONSI does not work for everybody! Thankfully it has for Val - it's great to get a full nights unbroken sleep. Something we haven't had for about 6 years. and there are No legal alternatives in the UK - Rod |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by mrs mac on Mar 30th, 2009 at 6:31pm
thanks!!!
knew it was something like that!! 8-) ::) see you soon ;) sandra x |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 31st, 2009 at 2:25am Dyno wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 6:08pm:
Main Entry: in·va·sive Pronunciation: \-siv, -ziv\ Function: adjective Date: 1598 1: of, relating to, or characterized by military aggression 2: tending to spread ; especially : tending to invade healthy tissue <invasive cancer cells> 3: tending to infringe 4: involving entry into the living body (as by incision or by insertion of an instrument) <invasive diagnostic techniques> — in·va·sive·ness noun Bob |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by wildhaus on Mar 31st, 2009 at 6:54am
The implantation of the ONS is an invasive procedure! just placing the “generator” in the “pocket” in the lower abdomen is an invasive process…. and then placing the “leading leads” to the head is invasive and complex….. I did post the photographs from the surgical procedure
and one can imagine seeing the pic. what invasive is…… The implantation of an ONS is not for everyone! it is still in development, and I recommend the ONS only to CCH’rs that use it as last alternative, after all (school) medicine alternatives had failed for them. and as in my case, the use of alternative medication is a taboo, for practical reasons…. I do recommend the ONS, or better said I recommend all CCH’rs that suffer from medication intolerance to explore this alternative, It can bring some relief, and any improvement is welcome…… The alternative of DBS (deep-brain surgery) is not off the table at all, or abandoned, it is still a valid alternative, and used in some cases, but only after all other alternatives had been explored and failed! it is also a method in development and needs still more R&D but it is being used and developed…. and with the modern neuro surgical technologies it is a very valid alternative, but only as last alternative! Michael |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Pinkfloyd on Mar 31st, 2009 at 1:41pm wildhaus wrote on Mar 31st, 2009 at 6:54am:
Thank you Michael Be well, Bob |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Dyno on Apr 1st, 2009 at 12:44pm
My apologies Bob.
Should have said 'not as invasive' - not as invasive as DBS. |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by wildhaus on Apr 1st, 2009 at 3:24pm
The ONS surgical procedure is not a trivial thing, and it should be considered only as last resort!
I had no choice….. and as my medical situation has deteriorated very rapidly due to the treatment - Occipital nerve block, a treatment that worked very good but I have developed a very strong adverse reaction that had forced me to choose a radical alternative, and reduce the dependency on pharmaceutical products….. I am adding some images of the surgical procedure, the implantation of the probes into my head…. as well as an X-ray of the probes…. in my head, to give a correct a descriptive picture of this procedure.. (I am using links and not images, the images are very descriptive, and I dont know how to post pic. on the new board.... ) this image is the base of the skull opened and inserting the probes into the skull base. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE next image, both probes are inserted START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE X-Ray image of the position of the probes in my head. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE next Images are leading the “cables” to the lower back START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE (This is a (partial) copy of a post I have made on the thread about my journey and adventure into the ONS. Michael |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Dyno on Apr 1st, 2009 at 5:40pm
Nobody is trivialising ONSI. Any surgery, no matter how minor has its risks and ONSI is not the magic bullet for everybody. One member that tried it is now being offered, and is considering having, DBS.
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Perhaps, Michael, your surgery was different to my wifes. With her, they exposed the base of the skull and stitched the electrodes to the Occipital nerves at the point where they exited the skull - just below the scalp - they didn't have to open the base of the skull. At this point they also gave her a massive GONB - not hit and miss this time, the nerves are exposed and they can hit the 'sweet spot'. |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Lissa on Apr 1st, 2009 at 7:21pm
Wow. I've never even heard of this surgery. Is it something new? Very interesting stuff.
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Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Dyno on Apr 2nd, 2009 at 2:40am
Don't know about the States but the first ONSI for cluster headache was carried out in 2003, in the UK.
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Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by Dyno on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 1:52am
Just noticed this:
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They must do it different where you live. Over here the cables are placed from the back of the neck, over the shoulder, and down to one side of the abdomen to the battery pack. Nowhere near the lower back! Rod |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by wildhaus on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 4:06pm Dyno wrote on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 1:52am:
I add one more pic. to give you a feel of how it was done on me in Switzerland (KSSG) START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or END PRINTPAGE and you can find more info. over the link Chuck provided....... of all the prosidure Michael |
Title: Re: Bionic surgery Post by mrs mac on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 7:30pm
been watching this thread as my hubby i hopefully having the ONS done this year (once we get funding)
and Rod is right,it is done differently in the UK, it will be the same surgeon that does Andy's op that done Val's!! Sandra xx |
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